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5 years ago ::
Jul 23, 2008 - 2:18PM
#11
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Date Joined:
May 14, 2008
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It certainly will be challenging, but more fun can be had by playing with Power because it allows for more broken plays. Take this real example that happened to me earlier today:
I'm at 3, my opponent's at 6. He's tapped out with one card in hand and a summoning sick Goblin Welder  . I EOT Mystical Tutor  for Tinker  with a board of all mana, including Mana Crypt  . I win the flip during my upkeep and stay at 3. I draw Tinker for the turn. I cast Tinker, saccing the Mana Crypt, find Darksteel Colossus  . He has the Welder, so I need to win without him getting another turn. I cast Yawgmoth's Will  (all my lands are tapped now), replay Crypt and Lotus Petal  , replay Tinker saccing Crypt and find Black Lotus  . My only out is Time Walk  , and the Lotus is my only mana source now. I sac Lotus for UUU, replay Ancestral Recall  , and draw into Time Walk on the 3rd card. Without 3 pieces of Power (Recall, Lotus, Time Walk), the game was unwinnable from that state, and I certainly had a lot more fun pulling out the win like that than I could have without Power.
Broken plays are part of Vintage. You should learn to embrace the power that playing with Power gives you.
this right here is the essence of Type 1. you should copy and paste this post in the "what's the difference between Vintange/Legacy" thread!!!
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5 years ago ::
Jul 23, 2008 - 2:32PM
#12
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yeah I remember seeing that build on deckcheck.com, and I really liked it. The only real issue I have with the deck is the ingot chewers in the sb. I realize that it can become a late game beater and answer to a chalice for one, but is it really worth sacrificing the explosive power of shattering spree just for a 3/3 for 5?
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5 years ago ::
Jul 23, 2008 - 2:41PM
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He has 4 volc's one ruby and one lotus as red mana sources. Against stax, where you are most likely to be hit with chalice at 1 you will need at least 2 of those 6 sources, except now your facing down wastes so you will be walking two lands into wastes. Also, the evoke gets around thorn as well.
I won't say it is strictly better than spree, but there are certainly cases where the distinction is a moot point. Especially when you run things like daze, possibly slowing down your red build up.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 24, 2008 - 12:06AM
#14
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Date Joined:
Jun 29, 2008
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Cold-eyed Selkie  Leering Emblem  Thoughts on either of those two cards making the cut?
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4 years ago ::
Dec 01, 2008 - 3:11PM
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what do you guys think is the hottest fish build rite now? At first I thought it was ur fish, but Im now thinking bug fish.
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4 years ago ::
Dec 03, 2008 - 4:31AM
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BUG Fish. IMO any fish deck not packing null rod and tarmogoyf (this includes non-blue fish decks like TMWA) is a mistake. Yes, I'm talking to you, the one in the back playing UW fish to an 0-2 drop, and you playing UR fish to a 1-2 drop. Quit handicapping yourself with sub-awesome cards. EDIT: Since the current BUG Fish decks look significantly different than the one at the top of the thread here is what a basic template should look like (all credit to Eric Becker): Accel 51 Black Lotus 1 Mox Jet  1 Mox Sapphire  1 Mox Emerald  1 Mox Ruby  Lands 181 Strip Mine  4 Wasteland  3 Underground Sea  3 Tropical Island  1 Bayou  4 Polluted Delta  2 Flooded Strand  Disruption 194 Force of Will  4 Null Rod  2 Stifle  3 Negate  3 Thoughtseize  2 Duress  1 Echoing Truth  Dudes 124 Dark Confidant  4 Cursecatcher  4 Tarmogoyf  Draw/Tutor 61 Ancestral Recall 1 Brainstorm  1 Demonic Tutor  1 Vamp Tutor  1 Merchant Scroll  1 Time Walk
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4 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2009 - 12:44PM
#17
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Date Joined:
Oct 18, 2003
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Question, in UWb Fish, is PtE a viable option?
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4 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2009 - 8:19PM
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Date Joined:
Apr 16, 2007
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Question, in UWb Fish, is PtE a viable option?
No, use stp. No contest.
NO LOTUS MUTHA ****IN' SHOPS BURN'T DOWN THE MUTHA ****IN' GENCON
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4 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2009 - 8:42PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 18, 2003
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Too much mana advantage?
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4 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2009 - 10:21PM
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Date Joined:
Apr 16, 2007
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stp is just better, why give them a land?
NO LOTUS MUTHA ****IN' SHOPS BURN'T DOWN THE MUTHA ****IN' GENCON
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