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4 years ago  ::  Jun 15, 2009 - 2:27PM #31
maddogleafs
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Apparently Tezzerat decks have been wrecking havoc in my area. What do you think are the chances of Ichorid/dredge deck winning against them? Can you give me a sample deck of a good Ichorid/dredge deck? I want to build one for an upcoming tourney. thanks.
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 09, 2009 - 12:18AM #32
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in a random meta, is manaless or mana ichorid better to bring?
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 09, 2009 - 5:32PM #33
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Aver semi-mana'd version that runs pithing needles in the main would probably be best for an unknown meta. Semi-mana'd meaning a version that runs 4-7 mana producing lands/permanents main deck.

I'm still finding that my old wasteland version performs the best overall, including the new fatestitcher builds. It just needed to be tweaked to include more generalized answers like needle.
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 12, 2009 - 12:15AM #34
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Personally, I think that the best build for a blind meta would be manaless, perhaps some riftstone portal tricks.

Even fully powered mana-ed ichorid has weaknesses that manaless doesn't. And the things that hose manaless hose ichorid with mana just as badly.
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2009 - 7:52AM #35
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Two quick questions:

1) What is the drawback of playing Mana'd Ichorid over Manaless? I read the primer and have tested both, yet I have almost always had more success with Mana'd.

2) What is Fatesticher used for exactly? I have toyed with him a bit to moderate success, but there seems to be something I'm missing.
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2009 - 9:27AM #36
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iamajellydonut wrote:

Two quick questions:

1) What is the drawback of playing Mana'd Ichorid over Manaless? I read the primer and have tested both, yet I have almost always had more success with Mana'd.

2) What is Fatesticher used for exactly? I have toyed with him a bit to moderate success, but there seems to be something I'm missing.


1) You open yourself up to counters, discard, mana denial and chalice of the void. You also have less access to bazaar.

2) It untaps bazaar and provides food for dread return/cabal therapy.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2009 - 11:00AM #37
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i've always figured mana ichorid opens you up to actually getting hand disrupted and having that be a problem, and chalice @ 0 still seems better than chalice at anything else
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 14, 2009 - 11:36AM #38
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sinimin wrote:

i've always figured mana ichorid opens you up to actually getting hand disrupted and having that be a problem, and chalice @ 0 still seems better than chalice at anything else


Chalice @ 1 wrecks mana ichorid. You get cut off of all your spells, which was the only reason to play mana ichorid.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 27, 2009 - 5:28PM #39
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I'm going to assume no, but is there anyway to make this deck a little cheaper, like with no Bazaar's or is it just not possible?
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 30, 2009 - 7:43PM #40
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Tekzilla wrote:

I'm going to assume no, but is there anyway to make this deck a little cheaper, like with no Bazaar's or is it just not possible?


the deck clocks about 50 turns faster with bazaar. there is no way to take bazaar out of this deck, unless you play legacy dredge, which costs about as much as one bazaar, so...

but honestly, dredge is the cheapest deck in vintage, the only card that costs more than $15 or so is bazaar, compare to decks running the entire P9, 7 fetches, 10 duals, 4 forces, 4 manadrains, time vault, mana crypt, library, etc. dredge is for sure the budget deck for vintage

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