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ZOMBIES WILL ATTACK
THEY ALREADY GOT TO ATMA AND REMOVED HIS SOUL





Lol Jk,Can't Wait for the new TC

The irony here is funny.

@ Deck help not having good lists...Cascade Control popped up there and is thriving...as did Dark Bant/Zigg Zoo. If your entire argument against posting new decks into Deck Help is because of the forum's description, then you're even acknowledging that your argument is weak and only by being a literalist can you have even a mild argument.

@ "I don't want to dig through piles of trash to find the thread I like in Deck Help." Try using your browser's bookmark function like the rest of the world. We don't want to spend hours a day volunteering just to organize the forums to your specifications.

@ "These rules are too strict!" We tried far more flexible rules for the TC and all we got were complaints about how arbitrary it was. I was "forum attacked" (rawr) multiple times because people disagreed with my (infamous?) posts about bringing decks up to those standards because they were too vague etc. Well...now they're not so vague.

@ "FNMs are competitive" Perhaps yorus are...I have a guy who regularly plays goats, a guy who plays monogreen every week...and someone showed up last week and tried to Demonfire me FNMs are too all over the place to be trustworthy when judging a good deck that belongs here. I understand if you can't make it to PTQs and Regionals...but then, if you never make those, why do you care if your deck is in the thread designed to prepare for those formats?

@ Rawr Elitism! Hitler! How is wanting a deck to perform well at a competitive tournament before considering it good for high level tournaments elitist? This isn't going to be a forum for up and coming innovations. It will be to discuss, tweak and make metagame changes for established decks, and allow others to prepare to defeat them with their innovative deck. If that works, their innovation becomes a good deck.


Also, anyone who thinks Atma doesn't deserve some respect based on his job either hasn't been here long or isn't paying attention (or is being a baby because their pet deck won't be in the TC). Atma does a ton of work here, and usually bends over backwards to help people out. He is also realistic about his knowledge and skill--and even tried to quit being VCL because he thought his Standard knowledge was lacking (which is why he will have a committee to determine borderline deck acceptance, I would guess). He's not elitist, full of himself or unfair. YOU may not agree, but the overwhelming majority on these forums would agree with me, and that's how democracy works (supposedly).

Wow! I'm gone for a week and everything changes. I like change, though, so this should be a good experience. Now, I will share my thoughts on this matter. I hope my opinions make a difference.

First, let me just say this: Atma, I'm absent for a week and I when I come back, I don't see the lovable, huggable (sp?) Atma. Instead, I find this new Atma, the hardass who is making rules and kicking out threads. I must say... I approve of this new Atma. These rules are clear and effective. I'm glad to hear that you won't be taking any more ******** just to make everyone happy because you know that we will never be happy. If you take away everything we have to complain about, we will complain about how you aren't letting us complain. Be strong, Atma, I know you can do it. You have all the support you need from us users.

Now, I will list what I agree and disagree with, starting with "agree with".

I agree with not calling it Decks to Beat. I never like that term. It always felt like if a deck could beat one of the DtB, then it deserved a spot there. With the Tournament Center, your goal isn't to "beat" a deck. It is to prepare for a tournament. DtB would be useful if you had a list in advance for what decks you will be playing against at the next tourney, but only the pros get that. Being able to prepare myself for what is to come is a much better and cleaner way of saying that my deck may or may not triumph if I attend a tournament. Plus, the DtB was way too strict. It didn't take into account the fact that these are forums. And we use these forums for the categorizing of popular decks as opposed to fishing around on the internet or elsewhere. We like to be able to find the deck we wish to find as quickly as possible. We do not want to sift through pages of garbage, as many have already spoken. The TC pulled out the more popular threads to be easier to find. Standard Deck Help still has all of those threads people don't like to look through, but there is rarely a popular thread among those that makes it past page 3-4. Therefore, this form of elitism is acceptable among all of us because it just makes sense. (If it doesn't, I'm here to gladly explain why it makes perfect sense. Proven Fact: The more popular a deck, the less chance it sucks. And yes, by definition this is elitism. Does it really matter? Lets hope that a word this vague doesn't matter.)

I agree with this change from TC to TC: With Hard Rules. The old one had very vague rules that weren't strictly enforced. Thus, allowing inadequate threads to scrape by. The new rules are very clear cut. "This is what I am demanding, and this is what I will get!" I like it! It creates a sense of authority that makes people want to follow it. The new rules are very well done, too. You explained very clearly what it takes for thread to be in the TC and with mods being only allowed to post, it makes it a lot harder to disobey the rules. (We all know that that was the problem in the first place. People would post, guides would report this, mods would request a move. After a week, the thread would be removed from the TC. The biggest problem was the delay.) Good job with the rules, Atma.

I agree with FNMs not being a good enough standard to base effectiveness of deck against meta. My meta has the "top 4 group" (same people who consistently make the top 4) and the everybody else (people who bring whatever, some bring top decks and some bring home brews, and but just aren't that good at the game). At least online, you can see that the guy who won won against someone who has a high rating.

I disagree with those that say Standard Deck Help is just a bunch of threads and believe that your deck is better than those. If you are not of the innovative type, then there is the TC for you. If you are the innovative kind, then you should respect the fact that your deck has a place to be seen. And respect the fact that you are the only one who knows of its true greatness. When you prove that it is worth our time, others will know of its greatness. Give it time and if your deck truly is good, it will make it to the TC.

I hope this helps. This is how I feel about the current situation.

can someone please delete my thread. thank you.