New Posts For Thread: 4e: the full story. And a question about the futurehttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/29508051/4e:_the_full_story._And_a_question_about_the_futureI have read flame wars and heard arguments about the merits and problems with 4e (more of the latter than the former admittedly). I have played 4e and while it has flaws I never understood the vitriol of its detractors. I have heard piecemeal tidbitsThis thread is almost all edition warring, all the time now, and because of that I'll be closing it down.http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/29508051/4e:_the_full_story._And_a_question_about_the_future?post_id=526380421#526380421This thread is almost all edition warring, all the time now, and because of that I'll be closing it down.Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:42:56 -0600That's not munchkining.Right, that's why a vast majority of the community just ignores any and all builds, no one ever asks anyone else for build help,...oh wait. Nevermind. In any game with stats and choices, you're going to have builds. Many see thhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/29508051/4e:_the_full_story._And_a_question_about_the_future?post_id=526380313#526380313That's not munchkining.Right, that's why a vast majority of the community just ignores any and all builds, no one ever asks anyone else for build help,...oh wait. Nevermind. In any game with stats and choices, you're going to have builds. Many see thMon, 26 Nov 2012 10:38:07 -0600Stop right there. There is no "poorly" designed character, objectively. [/quote]Stop right there.He didn't say anything about porrly designed characters. That is all on the player and the group.He said poorly designed CLASSES. That is all on the deshttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/29508051/4e:_the_full_story._And_a_question_about_the_future?post_id=526380285#526380285Stop right there. There is no "poorly" designed character, objectively. [/quote]Stop right there.He didn't say anything about porrly designed characters. That is all on the player and the group.He said poorly designed CLASSES. That is all on the desMon, 26 Nov 2012 10:35:40 -0600I want to have fun by contributing to the team activities and feel my character and my choices have significant impact on play results.. TPK really are a lose by the way.. a lose for every one around (including the DM usually) because it tends to unhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/29508051/4e:_the_full_story._And_a_question_about_the_future?post_id=526380185#526380185I want to have fun by contributing to the team activities and feel my character and my choices have significant impact on play results.. TPK really are a lose by the way.. a lose for every one around (including the DM usually) because it tends to unMon, 26 Nov 2012 10:31:22 -0600Stop right there. There is no "poorly" designed character class, objectively. [/quote]I didnt say character... I said class.http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/29508051/4e:_the_full_story._And_a_question_about_the_future?post_id=526380135#526380135Stop right there. There is no "poorly" designed character class, objectively. [/quote]I didnt say character... I said class.Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:28:06 -0600