New Posts For Thread: Substituting Melee Basic Attackhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28062953/Substituting_Melee_Basic_AttackWhen you charge or aop it says you use a melee basic attack, understood. But some powers say you may use this power in place of a charge or in place of an aop, does that mean if a power can be used in place of a melee basic attack it could be used fRight. The concensus is that if the power is worded as 'in place of', is not an MBA. However, if it is worded as 'Counts as' or 'can be used as' it is an MBA and is affected by anything that affects MBAs.I'll add this to the forum FAQ.http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28062953/Substituting_Melee_Basic_Attack?post_id=526658213#526658213Right. The concensus is that if the power is worded as 'in place of', is not an MBA. However, if it is worded as 'Counts as' or 'can be used as' it is an MBA and is affected by anything that affects MBAs.I'll add this to the forum FAQ.Thu, 06 Dec 2012 12:52:12 -0600Something else to mention, which another posted did bring up as well, is that if they use the replacement it still counts as a charge.For example a character with a str mod of 5 using horned helm, Vanguard weapon and Surprising charge using a Gouge whttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28062953/Substituting_Melee_Basic_Attack?post_id=526647169#526647169Something else to mention, which another posted did bring up as well, is that if they use the replacement it still counts as a charge.For example a character with a str mod of 5 using horned helm, Vanguard weapon and Surprising charge using a Gouge wThu, 06 Dec 2012 04:39:54 -0600Also worth noting that 'counts as' and 'can be used as' MBA/RBA powers are very different from 'can be used in place of' - the latter don't bbenefit from anything that triggers off the use of a basic attack, the former two do.http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28062953/Substituting_Melee_Basic_Attack?post_id=526646095#526646095Also worth noting that 'counts as' and 'can be used as' MBA/RBA powers are very different from 'can be used in place of' - the latter don't bbenefit from anything that triggers off the use of a basic attack, the former two do.Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:53:05 -0600Found this thread searching for info on Berserker powers, and it just made the level 17 Shoulder Slam my number 1 encounter power on my level 17 Dragonborn Berserker/Iron Vanguard Triple-headed flail wielder.Using horned helm, vanguard weapon, Draconhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28062953/Substituting_Melee_Basic_Attack?post_id=526642701#526642701Found this thread searching for info on Berserker powers, and it just made the level 17 Shoulder Slam my number 1 encounter power on my level 17 Dragonborn Berserker/Iron Vanguard Triple-headed flail wielder.Using horned helm, vanguard weapon, DraconWed, 05 Dec 2012 20:47:21 -0600That's correct. If it specifies "when Charging", then you need to be Charging to use it as an MBA.http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28062953/Substituting_Melee_Basic_Attack?post_id=503588233#503588233That's correct. If it specifies "when Charging", then you need to be Charging to use it as an MBA.Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:35:58 -0500