New Posts For Thread: The UNFUN change to Saving Throwshttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19580990/The_UNFUN_change_to_Saving_Throws"What is unbalanced should be removed from D&D" was the mantra of 3ed."What is unfun should be removed from D&D" is the mantra of 4ed.So why are we changing from saving throws to static defenses?I can see the only benefit when you have a mass-targetMyself and my group have tried it out and it works well. It doesn't slow up combat in any way we could perceive (but all of us have multiple d20's on hand). On top of it, it really does ramp the excitement and make Force Points (allowing you to mod dhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19580990/The_UNFUN_change_to_Saving_Throws?post_id=332832090#332832090Myself and my group have tried it out and it works well. It doesn't slow up combat in any way we could perceive (but all of us have multiple d20's on hand). On top of it, it really does ramp the excitement and make Force Points (allowing you to mod dSun, 28 Oct 2007 03:23:42 -0500I'm not insinuating that they don't deserve to play. I'm stating that people incapable of simple arithmetic are incapable of playing D&D. Much like complete illiterates, they do not have the requisite skills.I feel bad for them. I wish they weren't mhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19580990/The_UNFUN_change_to_Saving_Throws?post_id=332832086#332832086I'm not insinuating that they don't deserve to play. I'm stating that people incapable of simple arithmetic are incapable of playing D&D. Much like complete illiterates, they do not have the requisite skills.I feel bad for them. I wish they weren't mSun, 28 Oct 2007 03:08:43 -0500Assuming it will work like SW saga edition, the whole character level+class bonus + stat modifier +10 could be seen as "taking 10" in your defenses. Instead, if it doesn't work for you, just make one roll for attack and trade the +10 above for a defehttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19580990/The_UNFUN_change_to_Saving_Throws?post_id=332831606#332831606Assuming it will work like SW saga edition, the whole character level+class bonus + stat modifier +10 could be seen as "taking 10" in your defenses. Instead, if it doesn't work for you, just make one roll for attack and trade the +10 above for a defeSun, 21 Oct 2007 13:21:03 -0500What others have you tried? Since I actually kind of like combat systems which feature blocking a little more prominently (since hitting an expert swordsman with +20 BAB but only 10 dex and no armor is the same difficulty as hitting someone who has nhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19580990/The_UNFUN_change_to_Saving_Throws?post_id=332831582#332831582What others have you tried? Since I actually kind of like combat systems which feature blocking a little more prominently (since hitting an expert swordsman with +20 BAB but only 10 dex and no armor is the same difficulty as hitting someone who has nSun, 21 Oct 2007 01:18:27 -0500You guys are assuming there won't be a Saving Throw.There won't be a *routine* saving throw, as in past editions, but the Action Point/Fate/Whatever mechanism may allow characters to make a roll to avoid an especially brutal hit or spell effect. (athttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19580990/The_UNFUN_change_to_Saving_Throws?post_id=332831566#332831566You guys are assuming there won't be a Saving Throw.There won't be a *routine* saving throw, as in past editions, but the Action Point/Fate/Whatever mechanism may allow characters to make a roll to avoid an especially brutal hit or spell effect. (atSat, 20 Oct 2007 16:47:36 -0500