New Posts For Thread: Does Persist/Undying preserve the state of the creature?http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29783663/Does_PersistUndying_preserve_the_state_of_the_creatureI ran into this situation while playing some kitchen table Magic with my buddy. He's running a pretty mean Evolve deck that, for giggles, also includes Cauldron of Souls for protecting his creatures, and he insistsNote, that even if you cast a spell/use an ability to remove the creature cards from the graveyard, persist and undying have already triggered and will resolve doing as much as possible, which just ends up to be nothing. But they are still on the stahttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29783663/Does_PersistUndying_preserve_the_state_of_the_creature?post_id=529279753#529279753Note, that even if you cast a spell/use an ability to remove the creature cards from the graveyard, persist and undying have already triggered and will resolve doing as much as possible, which just ends up to be nothing. But they are still on the staSat, 23 Feb 2013 04:33:36 -0600He is probably thinking of regenerate.If a creature was regenerated, it never died. It was kept alive by the effect.But as was already pointed out, both persist and undying trigger after the creature died (and went the graveyard) so you could respondhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29783663/Does_PersistUndying_preserve_the_state_of_the_creature?post_id=529276157#529276157He is probably thinking of regenerate.If a creature was regenerated, it never died. It was kept alive by the effect.But as was already pointed out, both persist and undying trigger after the creature died (and went the graveyard) so you could respondFri, 22 Feb 2013 22:14:46 -0600You are correct, he is incorrect.Persist (When this creature dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)Undying (When this creature dies, if it had no +1/+1 counters onhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29783663/Does_PersistUndying_preserve_the_state_of_the_creature?post_id=529275617#529275617You are correct, he is incorrect.Persist (When this creature dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)Undying (When this creature dies, if it had no +1/+1 counters onFri, 22 Feb 2013 21:19:22 -0600Now that I'm thinking about it, I may have misunderstood his logic. Now, I think he believes that the creatures don't actually hit the graveyard. Which is wrong, because you can exile them with something like Tormod's Crypthttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29783663/Does_PersistUndying_preserve_the_state_of_the_creature?post_id=529275099#529275099Now that I'm thinking about it, I may have misunderstood his logic. Now, I think he believes that the creatures don't actually hit the graveyard. Which is wrong, because you can exile them with something like Tormod's CryptFri, 22 Feb 2013 20:37:03 -0600and if your friend arguesthen ask him "what is the point of the second ability on Skullbriar, the Walking Grave ?" obviously, he must be mistakenhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29783663/Does_PersistUndying_preserve_the_state_of_the_creature?post_id=529274913#529274913and if your friend arguesthen ask him "what is the point of the second ability on Skullbriar, the Walking Grave ?" obviously, he must be mistakenFri, 22 Feb 2013 20:28:19 -0600