New Posts For Thread: Gideon and tragic sliphttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29774013/Gideon_and_tragic_slipIf my opponent has turned gideon into a creature can i tragic slip? related question If gideon is a creature and i use a creature ability to turn him into a defender will my effect fall off when he reverts or will it be there everytime he changes froThe counter is irrelevant actually, it's just a reminder, it doesn't have any effect at all. No matter if it stays on, or is removed, or was never put there, the effect from the resolution of the Gorgon's ability is what's keeping the permanent fromhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29774013/Gideon_and_tragic_slip?post_id=529084635#529084635The counter is irrelevant actually, it's just a reminder, it doesn't have any effect at all. No matter if it stays on, or is removed, or was never put there, the effect from the resolution of the Gorgon's ability is what's keeping the permanent fromSat, 16 Feb 2013 05:21:00 -0600correct, loyalty abilities are activated abilitieshttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29774013/Gideon_and_tragic_slip?post_id=529069749#529069749correct, loyalty abilities are activated abilitiesFri, 15 Feb 2013 14:27:57 -0600so wait if i do that to gideon he cant use his planswalker abilities at allhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29774013/Gideon_and_tragic_slip?post_id=529069713#529069713so wait if i do that to gideon he cant use his planswalker abilities at allFri, 15 Feb 2013 14:26:23 -0600thats the one. i could not remember the namehttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29774013/Gideon_and_tragic_slip?post_id=529069659#529069659thats the one. i could not remember the nameFri, 15 Feb 2013 14:24:59 -0600you can use Tragic Slip on Gideon Xathrid Gorgon 's counter will remain on Gideon and it will stop its loyalty abilities from being activated, so he can't turn back into a creaturehttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29774013/Gideon_and_tragic_slip?post_id=529069619#529069619you can use Tragic Slip on Gideon Xathrid Gorgon 's counter will remain on Gideon and it will stop its loyalty abilities from being activated, so he can't turn back into a creatureFri, 15 Feb 2013 14:23:57 -0600