New Posts For Thread: 1) My oponent has Vorapede that just died and had no counters on it and I have Grave Betrayal , I gain control of it at the next end step right ?2) For Clonehttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29497213/1)_My_oponent_has_____Vorapede_________________________________that_just_died_and_had_no_counters_on_it_and_I_have_____Grave_Betrayal________________________________,_I_gain_control_of_it_at_the_next_end_step_right_2)_For_____Clone1) My oponent has Vorapede that just died and had no counters on it and I have Grave Betrayal , I gain control of it at the next end step right ?2) For CloneYeah, sorry, brain fart on my part to not consider the 'bigger picture'. My thinking was 'The trigger caused by the Undying death is no longer valid after the creature returns to play, even if the creature would happen to be back in the graveyard fohttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29497213/1)_My_oponent_has_____Vorapede_________________________________that_just_died_and_had_no_counters_on_it_and_I_have_____Grave_Betrayal________________________________,_I_gain_control_of_it_at_the_next_end_step_right_2)_For_____Clone?post_id=526131517#526131517Yeah, sorry, brain fart on my part to not consider the 'bigger picture'. My thinking was 'The trigger caused by the Undying death is no longer valid after the creature returns to play, even if the creature would happen to be back in the graveyard foFri, 16 Nov 2012 17:09:32 -0600You will get Vorapede with Grave Betrayal if it has a +1/+1 counter when it dies.http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29497213/1)_My_oponent_has_____Vorapede_________________________________that_just_died_and_had_no_counters_on_it_and_I_have_____Grave_Betrayal________________________________,_I_gain_control_of_it_at_the_next_end_step_right_2)_For_____Clone?post_id=526130555#526130555You will get Vorapede with Grave Betrayal if it has a +1/+1 counter when it dies.Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:37:07 -0600if it died a second time, undying wouldn't trigger the second time so yes, Grave Betrayal would return it to your control because it triggers againthe first Betrayal trigger would fail, but the second would succeedThatMarkGuy is partly right (the firhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29497213/1)_My_oponent_has_____Vorapede_________________________________that_just_died_and_had_no_counters_on_it_and_I_have_____Grave_Betrayal________________________________,_I_gain_control_of_it_at_the_next_end_step_right_2)_For_____Clone?post_id=526130531#526130531if it died a second time, undying wouldn't trigger the second time so yes, Grave Betrayal would return it to your control because it triggers againthe first Betrayal trigger would fail, but the second would succeedThatMarkGuy is partly right (the firFri, 16 Nov 2012 16:36:09 -0600All of your answers are on the page your cardlinks link to.Grave Betrayal: "If the creature card leaves the graveyard before the delayed triggered ability resolves, it won’t return to the battlefield. This is also true if the card leaves the grhttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29497213/1)_My_oponent_has_____Vorapede_________________________________that_just_died_and_had_no_counters_on_it_and_I_have_____Grave_Betrayal________________________________,_I_gain_control_of_it_at_the_next_end_step_right_2)_For_____Clone?post_id=526129883#526129883All of your answers are on the page your cardlinks link to.Grave Betrayal: "If the creature card leaves the graveyard before the delayed triggered ability resolves, it won’t return to the battlefield. This is also true if the card leaves the grFri, 16 Nov 2012 16:16:23 -06001. No. If a creature you don't control dies, but returns to the battlefield before the end step, then Grave Betrayal 's delayed trigger doesn't do anything -- after all, you can't return a creature to the battlefihttp://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29497213/1)_My_oponent_has_____Vorapede_________________________________that_just_died_and_had_no_counters_on_it_and_I_have_____Grave_Betrayal________________________________,_I_gain_control_of_it_at_the_next_end_step_right_2)_For_____Clone?post_id=526117861#5261178611. No. If a creature you don't control dies, but returns to the battlefield before the end step, then Grave Betrayal 's delayed trigger doesn't do anything -- after all, you can't return a creature to the battlefiFri, 16 Nov 2012 10:12:36 -0600