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Essentials Started it rolling and we cant be sure about the D&Next thing coming up. Between comments about combat oriented classes and out of combat ones and a sense that perhaps new devs are out of touch with 4e, will 5e be
"the past all over again?"
Some grognards are the passionate ones that make even the rest of us sigh. But others may be voices of reason who understand the value of true balance and who take up the fight exerting there voices of concern. The reasons for the original design decisions of 4e didnt suddenly go away...
It's not about hate, its about love, we love 4th edition.
"Can there be a place for those who
love 4th edition in 5th edition?"

The Dark Edition
Paving the Way for a Balanced Tomorrow
Grognards unite!

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Appreciate the add April 16, 2013 7:01 AM
	arderkrag
	Thanks for the add. I really loved 4th edition in the beginning, and though it may not have necessarily been the best move for D&D, ... more 70 Views 0 Comments

New to the group April 14, 2013 2:11 AM
	radaractive
	While I actually like Essentials, and like it specifically as a part of 4e, I otherwise am totally aligned with the mindset and goals of ... more 48 Views 1 Comments

Thanks for the invite. April 9, 2013 9:57 AM
	NickTyrong
	Thanks for the invite into this group. I don't really have much to say here, other than thanks, and that I mostly hate with an unholy ... more 60 Views 1 Comments

New Member Appreciates Invite February 25, 2013 3:33 PM
	SirAntoine
	I've been playing D&D since 1985 and I've tried every edition. I was upset at the timing of 5th edition, because 4th edition ... more 151 Views 1 Comments

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So, what now? May 6, 2013 4:47 AM

Last Post By: zyraen

@OCAMPOWell said. I would never have been a DM if not for 4E. I wanted non-linear stories, where Players' decisions could really affect the flow of things, but I wouldn't be able to scale things properly without a system that allowed it. That and the... more

Does anyone do hybrids? April 25, 2013 12:26 AM

Last Post By: zyraen

Glad to be of useful input ^^;As I mentioned before though, I'm a Power Gamer and I run games for Power Gamers. So most of my input and work are mechanical / combat based. Depending on what sort of games you run, this may not be at all appropriate fo... more

4vengers Assemble: Gathering Interest? December 4, 2012 3:19 AM

Last Post By: zyraen

After eagerly signing up for the Playtest of Next before the first playtest package was out, manuevering past technical glitches to download the playtest package by joining the Next forums, and looking at the recent Legends & Lore...D&D Next doesn't... more

Your game is changing and you can't stop it May 21, 2012 10:05 PM

Last Post By: Shamanstarr

Biggest problem I had with 4e Essentials was that it derailed the development schedule of regular 4e...There is nothing wrong with having a more streamlined, easier to pick up version fo the game, but to switch gears to only that, and stop the direct... more

Never expected to end up here... January 31, 2012 4:11 AM

Last Post By: The_Ubbergeek

I kinda feels like a demobilised 'poilus' (nickname for french soldiers of WWI)...... more

Does anyone read this? August 12, 2011 10:31 PM

Last Post By: Leichenreiter

Either cross-post or just post in the General.In my experience the group forums are mostly very stale and underused.... more

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Due to a spot of controversy around the old poll, I have updated and revised it. The shiny, new poll on class preferences for 5E can be found here community.wizards.com/crescentlake/blog/... please take a moment to vote in it, if you like.

CrescentLake

April 7, 2013
5:00 PM

I've created a poll on my blog and linked to it in the Next forums to see what classes people would be interested in seeing in Next. Head over and cast your vote. :) community.wizards.com/crescentlake/blog/...

CrescentLake

April 5, 2013
7:44 PM

... i wanna play some 4e, though i'll be leaving in like 3 weeks for florida for 2 weeks >.

Fox_Reeveheart

February 9, 2013
8:42 AM

I like 4E in all its flavours, hence the "pure" vs "Essentials" fight seems pointless to me. I've been playing D&D since 1999, and while I like 3E, it scared a lot of people away with its fearsome set of rules and many things to keep in mind. 4E is heavy on tactical grid and battle focus, but a good DM can always correct that if your people are up to role-playing. On top of that, I think Wizards spat on the face of all those buyers who invested their hard-earned cash in 4E only to have the developers throw it away in despise a short time later. Wizards is not seeing a single dollar from me for Next for a long time.

OCAMPO

November 30, 2012
7:26 AM

Thanks for the invite. I have run a number of Next Playtests and one thing that I have found is that they sure make players approciate their old game :). Especially, 4th Ed, but also Pathfinder, Savage Worlds, Dungeon Crawl Classics and other systems. Where are the Healing Surges? Where are the powers? Where are the feats? Where is my Wand of Cure Light Wounds? (oops, a Pathfinderism got in there :)). One element that fills me with some hope for Next is the System Module concept. But, we will see - I intend to try to be a constructive element in Next, but I have yet to find a player that feels that they are likely to buy it. Thanks again. Good Gaming All.

Ramses42

August 6, 2012
6:07 PM

Thanks for the invite, but like many others I enjoyed Essentials... in fact, it is my opinion that 4e started out rather shaky and grew significantly better (though bloated) over time. However, I am glad to see this group exists because I think it's important that everyone have a say in what things they think should be in the new edition of D&D. Like for any of those voices though, I hope that you are focused more on what you want to see than what you don't want to see. -Lanethan

LanethanAK

August 5, 2012
8:12 AM