KOTOR Possibilities?

Ladies and Gentlemen, sorry, been gone a while, but I'm back now. I know this is really jumping the gun here, seeing as how we are just beginning to explore the possibilities of Legacy, but, I can't help myself.

What's everyone expecting from KOTOR? T3-M4 finally? Bao Dur? Personally, I think Darth Sion is overdue, he's tough as nails and has an evil voice, what's not to love?

At the very least let us hope there are more Sith commons in store for us...:D
Well, Sion, Zayne Carrick, and... and..... Some other dude have already been confirmed for KotOR.
More Mandalorians! Maybe Ordo as Mandalore, Mando Jango, Jaster Mereel...more c/uc options.... Mando Scout (Stealth/Recon), Mando Jump Troopers (Jet Pack/Flamethrower)...

I expect a smaller showing for Sith, though probably more c/uc, but a huge boost for OR and maybe Mandos. I hope to see some preliminary boost for Seps... Lord Maul?
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Carth Onosi!!!!
Mission Vao
Zalbaar
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ect ect
I know a lot are going to be from the NEW KOTOR comic but i am hopeing that we get a few from the old KOTOR comic ( Nomi's era) I think it's less likely now as Nomi was in this set.


If it's a huge set then hopefully the factions that do not have huge will get some.
I just hope all sets from now on represent each faction, yeah this set will probably be OR and sith heavy, but throw in at least one YV or NR figure just to keep them all growing and changing
Well, I expect Kreia to be in the set. And I hope all of Revan's and the Exile's party is in the set as well (whether as Uniques [preferably] or non-Uniques).
My speculation is that the Old Republic will get basically the same type of treatment in KotOR that the New Republic got in LotF: a dozen or so pieces, probably mostly unique.

I'd love to see new GENERIC Jedi in the Republic faction with Affinity for the Old Republic (or even both OR and NR). Why shouldn't all three factions have Jedi Weapon Masters, Jedi Healers, etc? (This would also be a good way to support multiple factions with a single piece).

We know we're getting Zayne (and also that the writer of the KotOR comic is working on the KotOR Star Wars RPG supplement, which releases at the same time as the minis), so it seems likely that we'll be getting representation from both the comic and the games.

The Mandos and the Sith are sure to be represented, although since the Old Republic is one of the worst factions in the game right now, I hope they get the biggest boost. I also hope that we get all major characters from both games, either as generic or unique (it's actually pretty easy to do, especially if some wind up as Fringe).

Jar Jar Binks is confirmed for the set, which--along with the Padawan Obi-Wan artwork and the Shield-Gungan promo--creates a reasonable foundation for the idea of an Episode I sub-theme. Might be time for a new Maul, child Ani, Boss Nass, Naboo Handmaiden... I'm betting we'll see Rep and Sep pieces related to the Battle of Naboo.

Rebs and Imps are likely to recieve little or no support, unless there's TERTIARY theme related to Return of the Jedi (as speculated by the cover art of Leia-as-Boussh and Emperor Palpatine on the Death Star). Vong and New Rep, too, will probably get the shaft, but, hey, after LotF, they can't complain TOO much!
I fully expect a Darth Sion, a Carth (unfortunatley), a Zaalbar/Hanharr, a Mission, and a handmaiden. Not sure about Visas and the rest of Exile and Revan's parties, but I would like to see them all in addition to a new Force using, 80+point Revan (maybe light side, maybe fringe), and a new Darth bane with crab armor six.
If I don't get a Demogol figure, I will probably weep. Mandalore, the Indestructable seems like a gimme as well. Other than that, I'm open to all. Especially Carth Onasi. I'm also pretty sure that Zayne Carrick won't be that great, and may have Mettle.
My speculation is that the Old Republic will get basically the same type of treatment in KotOR that the New Republic got in LotF: a dozen or so pieces, probably mostly unique.

Rebs and Imps are likely to recieve little or no support, unless there's TERTIARY theme related to Return of the Jedi (as speculated by the cover art of Leia-as-Boussh and Emperor Palpatine on the Death Star). Vong and New Rep, too, will probably get the shaft, but, hey, after LotF, they can't complain TOO much!

One can only hope, they did a great job with the NR in Legacy!

As far as the Rebel/Imperial standings are, they're already heavy and uber-powerful, the mandos, sith, and OR really need to be fleshed out in this set. I'd be happy if there were absolutely 0 reb or imp pieces here.
Well, there's some things we almost certainly WON'T get, and that's because minis of them were already released as Generics:
Visas Marr, Atris, Mical the Disciple and Trask Ulgo.
Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing that strategy repeated for certain of the minis in the upcoming set: perhaps Brianna, Mira, Atton Rand, Hanharr, Juhani and Jolee Bindo. The rest I see as too "big" to be generics. Carth, Kreia & T3-M4 particularly. G0-T0 isn't "big," but it'd be way to much fun to run as a minis-game item so if they make one I'm guessing it will be Unique... although there WERE all sorts of duplicate facsimiles on the yacht, so who knows. Mission and Zaalbar are just too fun & lovable to be generic, plus they'd have great Affinity. And Canderous-as-Mandalore is obviously unsuitable as a generic mini as well.
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One can only hope, they did a great job with the NR in Legacy!

As far as the Rebel/Imperial standings are, they're already heavy and uber-powerful, the mandos, sith, and OR really need to be fleshed out in this set. I'd be happy if there were absolutely 0 reb or imp pieces here.

I fully concur with the quality of the NR boost in LotF and hope OR gets the same!

I also don't disagree re: the Rebs and the Imps, but given that the next set is Clone Wars, they likely won't get any representation there either, and folks will clamber about "No Rebs and Imps for 2 full sets! Terrible!"

I wouldn't mind token representation (like the Republic has gotten for the past few sets).
Carth Onasi and Saul Karath would be great. Kreia and Sion are obvious. They'll probably make a lot of people like Lucien Draay, Q'Anilia, Feln, Raana Tey, and Xamar, even if some of them are generic. There will also DEFINITELY be a Jarael and Rohlan Dyre since they are almost as central to the comics as Zayne...
Well, there's some things we almost certainly WON'T get, and that's because minis of them were already released as Generics:
Visas Marr, Atris, Mical the Disciple and Trask Ulgo.

Thank you for the agreement. I tried to make the argument in a previous thread that the use of certain characters as generics in the COTF set would probably exclude them from being used as Uniques, but people weren't buying it.
Thank you for the agreement. I tried to make the argument in a previous thread that the use of certain characters as generics in the COTF set would probably exclude them from being used as Uniques, but people weren't buying it.

I think that most folks were buying it (although there IS the fact that Cin Drallig already has two different generic Republic Jedi based on him), but many of us felt that it was preferable to have the generic than not have the character at all.
Here's some of my speculation from an older thread:

Using Legacy of the Force as a model, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that we'll see at least 20 KotOR-related pieces, as possibly as many as 30, especially if many of the unique characters are made into generics (especially Fringers, who are of use to everyone).

There will have to be a limited number of uniques, because many of these slots will be saved for movie-related characters for the broader fanbase. Again, using LotF as an example, probably no more than half of the R/VR will be KotOR-themed. (Still, that's 14 or so, which is nothing to sneeze at.)

Past experience also shows that WotC has a tendency to "extend" very specific sub-audiences by turning uniques into generics (eg, Visas Marr and LotF's Kal Skirara) and also seems to be willing to make a wide spread of generics for the RPGing crossover audience (again, using LotF as an example). I'll take all of that into consideration.

So here we go:

OLD REPUBLIC

Carth Onasi (the iconic old Republic shooter)

Echani Handmaiden (a generic version of Brianna, WITHOUT Force abilities. A solid melee piece with Bodyguard could really help protect many of the factions Force users)

Jolee Bindo (possibly similar to the original Rebel Obi-Wan, with a mix of healing and lightsaber)

Juhani (as fast, aggressive melee piece. I wouldn't mind seeing her as a generic)

Kreia (really not sure on the faction for her, but possilby a nice, insidious piece who also has Affinity to the Sith)

Mission Vao (a decent shooter, possibly with Stealth and Door Gimmick)

T3-M4 (the Old Rep's own "astromech" unit)

Zaalbar (maybe with Bodyguard)

Plus at least one or two of the Jedi Masters (Vandar, Vrook, Zhar Lestin, Kavar, etc) with commander effects to help out the generic Jedi of the faction)



SITH

Darth Sion (confirmed)

Hanharr (possibly as a generic; While Hanharr is a bounty hunter, I'd rather see this brutal fella where he belongs: with the real bad guys)

Saul Karath (if we're going to be adding more troops, might as well add a new commander. I wouldn't mind seeing him with Affinity to the Old Republic, reflecting his history and appearance in the comics, and making him useful to both factions)

Sith Assault Droid, Large (one of the variations of the SAD seen in both games)

Sith Assassin (low-level Force users with Stealth and Force Weapon)

Sith Grenadier (cheap variation on the basic trooper)

Sith Marauder (generic version of Darth Bandon, possibly with Overwhelming Force)



MANDALORIANS

Mandalore the Indomitable (from the comics)

Mandalorian Berserker (possibly modelled on Rohlan Dyre, from the comics)

Mandalorian Scout (a Mando with Stealth)

Mandalorian Tech Specialist (could be unique, as Zuka from KotORII, but that seems to be a waste of a slot)



FRINGE

Arkanian Scout (generic version of Jarael)

Arkanian Tech Specialist (generic version of Camper)

Atton Rand (decent shooter with Avoid Defeat)

G0-T0 (really not sure what to do with him, but I managed to fit most of the other playable characters in, so... Maybe a decent commander effect for Fringe Droids? Depending on how he's statted, he could be of much use to the lagging Seps)

Human Bounty Hunter (a generic version of Mira, with Rockets and Bounty Hunter; making her uncommon makes a piece that will appeal to the RPG and modding audience, too. There are not nearly enough generic female pieces!)

Ithorian Bounty Hunter (generic version of one of the Moomoo brothers, possibly with Pilot, to make the piece appealing and interesting)

Labor Droid (a generic version of Elbee, possibly an upgraded version of the ASP, possibly with good synergy with G0-T0, so we get not only pieces that fans like, but an interesting new dynamic for everyone to play with)

Snivvian Scoundrel (generic version of Gryph, possibly with Grenades and Gregarious)

Zabrak Tech Specialist (generic version of Bao-Dur; again, to appeal to a broader audience)

Zayne Carrick (confirmed; I'm not so sure he'll go in the Old Rep)

Plus a few creatures: Since LotF gave us no savages, I’d live to see at least two of the following—Rakghoul, Katarn, Kath Hound, Kinrath.



I'm not really addressing the other factions in detail, but I'm assuming we'll see some Ep I-themed pieces for the Republic and Seps, and possibly some RotJ-themed pieces for the Rebels and Imperials.

And Ewoks. Because we were promised Ewoks.

I don't expect the New Republic of Vong to get much of a boost, although token representation would be nice (C'mon Kyp Durron and Supreme Overlord Shimmra!)

I wonder what the total relative readership (don't know how else to phrase it) of the various KotOR source materials are; I mean, how many play the games, vs. how many read the new KotOR comic, vs how many read the older Tales of the Jedi comic. Like, I'm a vidgame slave-boy but have never read TotJ and have no idea what those characters are. And, so, couldn't really care less if they show up. If Wizards knows the relative sales, I imagine that will largely dictate the percentages of characters from these sources accordingly. Me, I have no idea!
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I wonder what the total relative readership (don't know how else to phrase it) of the various KotOR source materials are; I mean, how many play the games, vs. how many read the new KotOR comic, vs how many read the older Tales of the Jedi comic. Like, I'm a vidgame slave-boy but have never read TotJ and have no idea what those characters are. And, so, couldn't really care less if they show up. If Wizards knows the relative sales, I imagine that will largely dictate the percentages of characters from these sources accordingly. Me, I have no idea!

I'm sure LucasFilm and WotC have all those figures at hand. I don't think it's a big surprise that SW: LotF and SW: KotOR are two of Dark Horse's most-popular titles (if I recall correctly, KotOR has about 80% of LotF's sales).

While comic sales are nowhere near on the magnitude as novel sales, I think there's a much larger crossover from a comic book or video game audience to minis/RPGing, and all that is taken into consideration.

However, every set also has to appeal to the larger audience, or risk significant loss of sales. Note that even though LotF was predominantly EU, we STILL got 2 Lukes, a Han, and a Leia. Sure, they're older (or deader), but not so old that they're not recognizable.
I think people are putting too much emphasis on the video game and not enough on the comics. People like Carth Onasi, Mission Vao and Saul Karath I think are pretty safe bets for pieces because they have been featured in both. But ultimately, I think there will be more pieces heavily featured in the comics then the video games...

I also wouldn't be shocked if we got a new Darth Bane and a Darth Zannah... hey maybe even a Lord Hoth...
And absolutely, GWEk, I feel every single set needs to have a broad appeal and offer material from multiple factions. I mean, they HAVE to for the line to survive! We know from the Boards that there's plenty of folks who couldn't give a rodent's heinie about KotOR (or whatever), and to keep them in the loop there had BEST be Imperials, Vong, Rebels and so on. And good ones, too - so averyone will buy cases, just to get what they want, even if the set THEME doesn't make their collective boat float. There's people who will post minis wish-lists for the KotOR (or whichever) set and every last one will be from that source. God help the game if Wizards ever does something that stupid! And the same applies to just KotOR sources. Just 'cos I don't care about Tales doesn't mean other folks don't, and I'm not so arrogant as to suggest minis from there should be left out! Balance in all things... even minis sets.
What MY wonder is... just what constitutes "balance?" Sure wish I knew what's most in demand.
EDIT: And Jason, that's pretty much what I'm getting at.
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I love the kotor characters and do hope they represent at least the full unique party of revan- but what I am looking foward to most is the possible sith NPCs. In the game you fought hundreds of dark jedi, sith trooper varients, and like mark I to III of several droids. I want to see some of these, both for RPG and to boost the sith commanders we got in this set who lack good people to command. And of corse I hope the Old republic gets a lot of peices of any kind just because they lack support.
I think the Old Republic is now the redheaded stepchild of the minis game. The last two sets beefed up the Yuuzhan Vong considerably, and I think it is now the OR that is just flat-out unplayable. Happily, I expect this will change soon!
Let's hope so.
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I want more mandos to make them the feard people they are.

Like scouts
jump troopers
Mando raiders
Mando stalkers
Mando Stealth suits
a new mandolore
Just some ideas

I demand they all have 50+HP:P
and higher defances like 17 for most of them and for the new mandolroe(if he is made)to have rapport for his troops.:D
...to have rapport for his troops.:D

...or reserves of somekind. I have always believed the Mandos to be formidable except for thier cost/activation count, so something that helps cost would be good. Before stats for Boba Fett MC, I was hoping for a reserves from him, but alas nada.
And absolutely, GWEk, I feel every single set needs to have a broad appeal and offer material from multiple factions. I mean, they HAVE to for the line to survive! We know from the Boards that there's plenty of folks who couldn't give a rodent's heinie about KotOR (or whatever), and to keep them in the loop there had BEST be Imperials, Vong, Rebels and so on. And good ones, too - so averyone will buy cases, just to get what they want, even if the set THEME doesn't make their collective boat float. There's people who will post minis wish-lists for the KotOR (or whichever) set and every last one will be from that source.

Hey, check out my signature! Full 60 piece virtual set based just on the FIRST KotOR video game!

But "fanfic" is exactly where something like that belongs...

God help the game if Wizards ever does something that stupid! And the same applies to just KotOR sources. Just 'cos I don't care about Tales doesn't mean other folks don't, and I'm not so arrogant as to suggest minis from there should be left out! Balance in all things... even minis sets.
What MY wonder is... just what constitutes "balance?" Sure wish I knew what's most in demand.

I think the LotF set is an EXCELLENT example of balance. Every faction got something, even if some got more than others, and in many cases, what the faction got make it significantly more playable and/or broadened options.

I'd love to see KotOR be almost the "inverse" of LotF, doing the same types of things, but for different factions: do for the Old Rep what LotF did for the NR, do for the Seps what LotF did for the Vong, etc.

I've posted this concept in various threads over the past few months, but it's becoming increasingly clear, I think that the good folks at WotC know what they're doing, and they're playing a long-term game for us. Sure, the Seps and Old Republic didn't get significant assistance in LotF, but they WILL get it in later sets in 2009. The Rebels, Imps, and NR got the lion's share of goodness in LotF, but likely won't advance much more in the next 2 sets...

When we look back at 2008 overall, I think we'll see that it was a wonderful year for the game, regardless of what faction you prefer.

Wow, I've meandered away from the original topic.

Point is, really, that the balance of LotF meant that there was something for everyone, and hopefully, we'll see more of that in the future, even if each future set doesn't cover all 10 factions. Heck, even without a new Tyrannus, Sep players could get pretty excited about the Fringe Guard Droid!
I love the kotor characters and do hope they represent at least the full unique party of revan- but what I am looking foward to most is the possible sith NPCs. In the game you fought hundreds of dark jedi, sith trooper varients, and like mark I to III of several droids. I want to see some of these, both for RPG and to boost the sith commanders we got in this set who lack good people to command. And of corse I hope the Old republic gets a lot of peices of any kind just because they lack support.

Funny thing is, some of those pieces already exist, just in other factions! I'd love to see an Uthar Wynn with the ability to pull in non-unique characters whose name contains "Dark Side", or perhaps a Vandar who can "recruit" generic Jedi, regardless of faction.

I definitely agree, though, that the OR and Sith armies need to be fleshed out a little with some of the types of folks/creatures/droids we commonly see in the games.

And, of course, the comics should be pretty well represented, too. Honestly, I'd be pretty concerned about balancing all of this if WotC hadn't done such a great job with LotF.
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