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Because frankly, being here depresses me these days.
Because frankly, being here depresses me these days.
Some cards simply didn't work at all until they noticed it and issued errata. Vigor, for example, couldn't work since abilities never deal damage
Some cards are trying to do something they shouldn't. This applies to older cards, mostly. In those cases, trying to give them sensible Oracle texts is impossible, since the underlying concepts are problematic. This often leads to rather convoluted Oracle texts and/or very unintuitive rulings. Some examples of this were already given in this thread. Raging River, Chains of Mephistopheles, Firestorm Phoenix, Imprison, Jandor's Ring, Ice Cauldron and Equinox could all fall into this category, in one way or another. We don't get a lot of questions about these, but it's mainly because they're old and not used a lot.
The layer system managed to sort out most of the Humility questions. Even Humility plus two Opalescence is reasonably easy to analyse.
My current least favourites are Life and Limb or a combination of Titania's Song and Mycosynth Lattice. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth in combination with subtype-setting effects are also not immediately intuitive.
As a fun fact, Raging River has been errata'd with the release of Shadowmoor. No functional changes, however.
Is it still possible to create or destroy a dependency loop involving Life and Limb, drastically changing what it applies to, simply by playing a land?
After a counter has been moved by Leech Bonder, Cyclopean Tomb loses track of it and won't try to remove it.
I'd like to throw in Relentless Rats which flat out doesn't work.
It has a Static ability which might be able to override the Comp Rules, but Deck legality checks are part of the DCI Floor Rules, not the Comp Rules,
Only if you think rule 100.2 also doesn't work. Your issues are that you can't figure out when Relentless Rats' ability gets applied - and the answer is that it gets applied at the same time that rules does, and modifies it.
Try reading 100.2. The DCI may add additional rules to it, but it is a rule for the game.
101.1. At the start of a game, each player shuffles his or her deck so that the cards are in a random order. Each player may then shuffle his or her opponents' decks. The players' decks become their libraries.
Which cards have caused the most rules issues? I'm thinking probably either eye or teh annoying. Not to mention teh new annoying
57193048 wrote:You should never explain layers to people unless one of the following is true: they're studying for a judge exam, you're both in a Ben Affleck movie and it's the only way to save the world, or you hate them.
56663526 wrote:We try to maintain the illusion that Magic cards are written in English.
56333196 wrote:69511863 wrote:Hell, if they steal from us, we'd be honored.
oh my god, AWESOME!
Then changing the Slivers was your idea! haha
69511863 wrote:Hell, if they steal from us, we'd be honored.
56734518 wrote:Occassionally when catering, I've been put the task of arranging Fruit and Cheese or Grilled Vegetable platters. More than once a high class buffet has started with the mark of Phyrexia upon it. Since i've got a good eye for color so it looks great to people who don't get the "joke" (it's a niceley divided circle after all: the outline gives you 4-6 "regions" to work with), this has actually got me put on platter design more often, resulting in Phyrexia's presence at more private and industry events.
Rule 100.2 is all fine and dandy, but it has no real effect, unless you are claiming that the Rules of the game are able to affect the game before it even starts!
Please tell me more...
Why aren't you autocarding? I know you know how to.
but partly because I just want to build a few decks that annoys the hell out of the judge. He still owes me money.
The deck check is done BEFORE the game actually starts (as indicated by 101.1).
While it's fine for a card to overrule a rule when it directly conflicts with it. You do have to be playing a game of Magic for it to happen.
Relentless Rats ability, in order to function, would have to function before the game even starts.
If I haven't explained it clearly enough, fine.
Basically, it comes down to Relentless Rats ability is a static ability. ... Relentless Rats ability, in order to function, would have to function before the game even starts.
120. RULES FOR CONSTRUCTED TOURNAMENTS
121. Deck Size Limits
Constructed decks must contain a minimum of sixty cards. There is no maximum deck size; however, players must be able to sufficiently randomize their deck within the time allotted.With the exception of basic land cards, a player’s combined deck and sideboard may not contain more than four of any individual card, counted by its English card title. All cards named Plains, Island, Swamp, Mountain, and Forest are basic. (The five basic snow lands, also known as “Snow-Covered lands”—Snow-Covered Plains, Snow-Covered Island, Snow-Covered Swamp, Snow-Covered Mountain, and Snow-Covered Forest—are also basic lands. Note that basic snow lands, also known as “Snow-Covered lands” lands are permitted only in formats that allow the Ice Age™, Alliances™, and/or Coldsnap™ sets.)
To those of you bashing on ahlyis, his point is not that the rules have no effect before the start of the game, his point is that static abilities have no effect before the start of the game.
In any Sanctioned event, ....
It states what it does, and it can only do that from the graveyard. This is taken to mean it satisfies 402.8b. It is no different with Relentless Rats.
402.8b An ability that states which zones it functions in functions only from those zones.
Wonder references the graveyard...
And an ability that can only function in a specific zone is considered to be implying it functions in that zone. For example, Wonder does not explicitly "state which zones it functions in." It states what it does, and it can only do that from the graveyard. This is taken to mean it satisfies 402.8b. It is no different with Relentless Rats.
Please make up your mind - are you talking about the rules of a DCI sanctioned event, or the rules of Magic?
But I'm trying really hard to not argue at this pedantic level. I'm only doing it in response.
Really, you are being just a little pedantic here. You don't like how it fits in the process. I can understand that. But you are making many unfounded claims trying to back it up.