New Packet Starter Feats

Hey gang,

I am new to DMing and although we have only played one session with the new packet my players are complaining about not being able to choose a feat at level 1. I thought of maybe allowing them to choose 1 of the benefits of the feat (as long as it is not too powerful) at level one as long as they take the feat to get the rest of the bonuses it offers at level 4.

Has anyone thought about this or had any ideas how to make some variation at level 1 than what the new packet will allow for? I am looking for feedback for what people think about it. I know it isn't the only solution but it seemed like an easy fix to implament without "major" complications since they would be taking the feat at 4 anyway. I know that the players that want stats at level 4 might complain but I think they would be the minority of the group on this.

Thanks in advance! 
They started handing out Feats after level 1 in this edition because they wanted it optional (and interchangeable with Ability score increases). It makes learning gameplay more streamlined so new players aren't swarmed with yet another list. The drawback to this is that a starting adventurer doesn't have options for style of play.

My solution would be to make characters at a level that you feel is enough to shape the character's style. Fighters get a Feat (optionall) at level 2; that could be enough to start, perhaps. 

Philosophically, should a first level character get a starting feat? Would a beginning adventurer have some sort of combat trick no one else could do if they've never been in combat in the first place?  It could go either way, but it doesn't bother me if the answer is no. If we want to tailor a character with Feats, I would assume the character is experienced and have picked up some Feats on the way. But if the character is experienced like that, then they should have a level above 1! So, my solution is to start character at level 2 or higher. If you start at level 1, then your character would be a wide-eyed teenager, cloistered librarian, or shop-working schlub with no inkling of how real combat works.

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AD&D Dark Sun started characters at level 3, and it worked pretty well. None of those annoying deaths from a single kobold strike. I think it would be fine if characters got feats at level 3 if the book made recommendations for starting characters at various levels to accomodate player experience. If all players are newbies, level 1 seems appropriate, but with at least 1-2 experienced players, level 3 works well.

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I think it is intended that experienced players (those most likely to want a starting feat I think) should start at level 3. Levels 1 and 2 are just "tutorial" so you learn the basics.
Ajdust point buy down a few points (like 4).

Then give the ability score/feat at first level.

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