Eliminate the middle man. Allow me to buy direct from Wizards.

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In the wake of the new From the Vaults: 20 set I am getting increasingly disgusted by scalpers aka retailers.  Why can't you guys deal directly to the gamers instead of using the ridiculous middle man?  I would rather buy my cards at MSRP then pay for someone to screw me over.  You ALREADY do this with MTGO.  I just can't figure out the logic here.  You would make MORE money dealing direct.
The existence of brick-and-mortar stores is beneficial to the game (stores that sell Magic cards means stores that could be willing to host tournaments, and seeing Magic cards for sale lets people know it exists) and thus beneficial to Wizards. A very limited-run product like that is effectively a gift from Wizards to these stores, giving them either high profits or a lot of good will. They don't want to hurt the stores by either competing with them or just not selling to them at all.
The existence of brick-and-mortar stores is beneficial to the game (stores that sell Magic cards means stores that could be willing to host tournaments, and seeing Magic cards for sale lets people know it exists) and thus beneficial to Wizards. A very limited-run product like that is effectively a gift from Wizards to these stores, giving them either high profits or a lot of good will. They don't want to hurt the stores by either competing with them or just not selling to them at all.

I completely understand that; however, the penalty is paid by the customer.  And the customer is the real income to Wizards.  I am the type of person they want buying cards.  I have a large salary, I've been playing since 94, and I love the game.  Making me drop out of the game is the last thing they want.  That is what is going to happen though.
I get the need for brick and mortar stores and the need to steer product their way, but I completely agree with the original poster. I too would like to buy FTV20 but know I have ZERO chance of being able to buy it at MSRP and find any reasons given to me to be completely ridiculous. I mean, think of any other product out there and give me a good reason why MSRP does not work? The same was the case with Commander's Arsenal even if I was not interested, and Modern Masters which got scalped so bad, to include my two local LGSs and I DID want to buy but bought zero paper cards for. By the way, I CAN afford those $12 packs but on a matter of principle will NEVER buy paper Modern Masters at anything over MSRP. I did buy Modern Masters online at MSRP, and, of course, the way I wanted to: directly from Wizards.

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I too would like to buy FTV20 but know I have ZERO chance of being able to buy it at MSRP and find any reasons given to me to be completely ridiculous.


You arent supposed to be buy them at RRP, unless your local store is earning tons of kudos in the process (as opposed to making tons of profit) - they are a thank-you to stores for promoting the game.

As to why Wizards dont sell direct: it would be a lot of hassle and extra work for them to have millions of individual customers all over the world, and as a result the prices would be a lot higher.

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Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?
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That makes no sense to me. If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed? ~ Tim
Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch. YAY COLOR IDENTITY
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I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.
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And no judge will ever give you a game loss for playing snow covered lands.
I now have a new goal in life. ;)
ITT Magic players feel entitled to get things for cheap when they don't deserve it. 
The existence of brick-and-mortar stores is beneficial to the game (stores that sell Magic cards means stores that could be willing to host tournaments, and seeing Magic cards for sale lets people know it exists) and thus beneficial to Wizards. A very limited-run product like that is effectively a gift from Wizards to these stores, giving them either high profits or a lot of good will. They don't want to hurt the stores by either competing with them or just not selling to them at all.

I completely understand that; however, the penalty is paid by the customer.  And the customer is the real income to Wizards.  I am the type of person they want buying cards.  I have a large salary, I've been playing since 94, and I love the game.  Making me drop out of the game is the last thing they want.  That is what is going to happen though.


yeah you don't buy as much product as a card shop.

 

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why are you here when NGA exists and is just better

My LGS is awesome.  They sold limited amounts of Modern Masters so that there would be enough left for drafting, and they sold it at MSRP.

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I hope all this helps you to see things in a greater light—and understand that Magic: the Gathering was really created by extraterrestials using Richard Garfield as a medium. The game itself reflects the socio-psycho realtivity between living beings, and the science that takes precedence over them—to define reality for them all (like telekinesis, weather, scientific reaction, phenomenon, ingenuity, how the brain works, etc.). I'd also bet there is an entity floating thousands of miles above us, looking down on the current state of game, shaking its fist like... "Wtf are you doing?! You're getting it all screwed up!". Awkward—to be evolved, and yet still subject to the ladder that is the concepts of the game. In this case, misconception, corruption, and deception. With the realities of each color becoming distorted (through oblivious designers), leading the game to reflect a false state of reality that warps the understanding that other people have about those things. For example, people thinking that white could be anything except pure good. This shouldn't be too far off though, I mean...Magic is designed based on reality after all, so that entity (those entities) should be subject to those things. Anyways, I guess when you're busy doing space stuff you can't always be around to ensure quality control. It's no wonder they choose Garfield, they're so much alike; that's exactly what happened to him and Magic.
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The black on black planeswalkers were sold directly from WotC...didn't really help much, did it?

Also, WotC used to sell directly to customers.  They had a large store in seattle, at the very least.  They did this for a while, then made a concious decison that it was better to promote brick and mortar stores than to take the short-term gains from selling directly to customers (and thus getting any profit that went to middle-men).

I don't see them ever changing this, seeing as it is functioning as it was meant to.

Plus, there is the fact that this wouldn't really change the availability of any FTV or other limited print run items.  Rather than going to B&M stores who sell it at a mark-up...a select set of individuals will swoop in and buy up all of the FTVs and then turn around and sell them at that exact same markup.  The only real difference is that, how it is now, WotC controls who recieves the cheap FTVs to then sell for a nice profit. 

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The black on black planeswalkers were sold directly from WotC...didn't really help much, did it?

Also, WotC used to sell directly to customers.  They had a large store in seattle, at the very least.  They did this for a while, then made a concious decison that it was better to promote brick and mortar stores than to take the short-term gains from selling directly to customers (and thus getting any profit that went to middle-men).

I don't see them ever changing this, seeing as it is functioning as it was meant to.

Plus, there is the fact that this wouldn't really change the availability of any FTV or other limited print run items.  Rather than going to B&M stores who sell it at a mark-up...a select set of individuals will swoop in and buy up all of the FTVs and then turn around and sell them at that exact same markup.  The only real difference is that, how it is now, WotC controls who recieves the cheap FTVs to then sell for a nice profit. 



to be fair, no WOTC did not sell the Blacked out Planeswalkers directly. This was completely run by the good folks at Hasbro, the whole fiasco was a Hasbro affair and literally WotC had no say whatsoever over the decision. I feel a lot of these decisions are made by Hasbro, people forget that WotC has a overlord. 
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I wish wizards just wouldn't put MSRP on things because all it does is give consumers like us the wrong idea. Really all the MSRP does is tell the shop that they are paying approximately 1/2 of that number. But then guys like TS get all bent out of shape when they can't find something that has a $500 card in it for $40 and blame the shops.

Would it make any of you guys feel better if they just straight up made the MSRP $250?

It's marked up because its Wizards way of saying thank you to shops who support them all year. If your loyal to your LGS then you may be able to find them for $40 as a way of saying thank you for supporting the shop all year. If you just show up out of the blue at a shop demanding to get FtV for $40 then I can't say I blame the shop for either holding them for loyal customers or charging you through the roof for it.
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My LGS is awesome.  They sold limited amounts of Modern Masters so that there would be enough left for drafting, and they sold it at MSRP.



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FTV20 is $40. It just has a $200 complain tax.
I do find it HILARIOUS that people would defend stores that sell stuff at +600% the intended price. And let's be honest, the intended price is ALREADY making them profit.

How is this acceptable and if I sold you 18-21$ the gallon gas and say it's limited, you'd start a riot.

Brainwash

I do understand the whole "but there's a card worth a lot of money in there", still doesnt change the fact that they arent selling those 250$ to the shop, they are probably sold at 25-30$ each, if that much.
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Complaining that the store doesn't sell you a promotionnal, foil Jace, the Mind Sculptor for 40$ is delusionnal.

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Rancor dies to in-response removal.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back. Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
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57461258 wrote:
You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
57817638 wrote:
I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now. Ahem... NO ONE CARES there you have it.
57471038 wrote:
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
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How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
57817638 wrote:
The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.
57140668 wrote:
1. cast frankie peanuts2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus, then play enchanted evening. play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
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82423538 wrote:
One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.
Whatever. I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.
I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?
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Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.
57140668 wrote:
why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter
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89522235 wrote:
You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.
56957928 wrote:
56776038 wrote:
Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
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Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.
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Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me. Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!
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Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.
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And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.
99113151 wrote:
They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die". Much like Hell.
56778328 wrote:
Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.
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122053101 wrote:
i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.
I haven't tried the app. How is its use of English grammar? Cheers!
57471038 wrote:
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated. Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
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If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.
No, they just spam them with ban requests. That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
56957928 wrote:
Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH. -First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20. And voila, now things are balanced.
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Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
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But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different! You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french) Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!
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The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates. Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block. No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
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Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil.
whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways
56957928 wrote:
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
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"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.
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68978039 wrote:
Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too. Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
Then we shall play in the shade.
89522235 wrote:
I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help. This forum is for starting ****storms.
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139359831 wrote:
Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.
I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original. Then the building collapses.
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I for one love the flavor of legendary lands. "I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
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And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so... "Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
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GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
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Tamiyo vs. Gideon
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
76783093 wrote:
I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
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MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
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192729031 wrote:
You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll? At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.
Because lol troll
56874518 wrote:
It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.
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Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
57023768 wrote:
Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...
63711769 wrote:
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use. From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin. 183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
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Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
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Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.

 

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JuliusPringle wrote:

All I want to do is sit down and play magic, but when I walked in yesterday, (since I didn't talk to anyone) nobody talked to me and I silently bought what I wanted and walked out.


If you don't talk to anyone, that increases the odds that no one will talk to you.

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

So how do I just... introduce myself? "Hi, my name is Adam, wanna play magic with me?" Do I go to the counter and talk to the cashier?


Yeah. Talk to the cashier. Tell him/her that you want a Black Lotus, and if they don't have one tell them that the store isn't on par with what you expected.

 

Reach into your back left pocket. Pull out a deck list that you copied directly from some ChannelFireball top 8 Standard discussion, and ask for all the cards, as is, on that list. Then, ask for some random, probably terrible cards from whatever set is Standard legal. Say it's tech for the upcoming changes in the metagame.

 

Pull out a deck, and tell some random dude you wanna test (you have to use the term "test" for this to work) for Standard. Make sure that deck contains Kitchen Finks and Alluring Siren. Maybe throw in Nyxathid for good measure.

 

Finally, before you leave, spill (make it look like an accident) one hundred singleton, random cards onto the floor. Pick them up, put them in a pile, and say "EEE-DEE-AYCH".

 

I know this sounds dumb at first, but it will work. With the method outlined above, you will draw the attention of players that play older formats by asking for cards that no one on Earth can reasonably afford. You will get the attention of the wanna-be pro, Stomp-n00bz players by pulling out a well known decklist and declare that you have "tech" to make it better. You will get the attention of all the kind, helpful players by seemingly not knowing the most common format by having non-Standard legal cards in a deck that you claim is Standard legal. Finally, you catch all the rest of the Magic players by saying "EEE-DEE-AYCH" (EDH (or Commander)).

And there you have it. You will be talking to more people than you would have wanted to talk to in no time.

 

Smoke_Stack wrote:

EDH is the best format anyway


See, it's starting already.

 

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Week 1 : Xenograft
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft. Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1 Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad.
Week 2 : Mindlock Orb
Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269 Winner : Axterix with his Maralen of the Mornsong deck. Honorable mentions : Void_Elemental.
Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl
Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797 Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck. Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck. Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.
Week 4 : Followed Footsteps
This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck. Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.
Week 5 : Delaying Shield
This week's card was Delaying Shield : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27790101/Break_the_Card_:_Delaying_Shield Winner : Tevish_Szat. Finalist : Vampire_Bat. Honorable Mention : Zix200.
Week 6 : Painter's Servant
This week's card was Painter's Servant : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27940861/Break_the_Card_:_Painters_Servant?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Paint it Black deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his Tiger, Tiger Painted Bright deck.
Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner
This week's card was Venser, the Sojourner : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27977489/Break_the_Card_:_Venser,_the_Sojourner Winner : Izzett with her "Venser, Trickster Trader" deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his "Tactical Sojourner Action" deck.
Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary
This week's card was Personal Sanctuary : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28005461/Break_the_card_:_Personal_Sanctuary Winner : MrQuizzles. Honorable mention : Vampire_Bat and UbberSheep
Week 9 : Sundial of the Infinite
This week's card was Sundial of the Infinite : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28038277/Break_the_card_:_Sundial_of_the_Infinite Finalist : Izzett with her "Afterlife Trespassers" deck. Winner : Xeromus with his "Fortune 500" deck.
Week 10 : Jace's Archivist
This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist. Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck. Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.
Week 11 : Search the City
This week's card was Search the City : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29518555/Break_the_Card_:_Search_the_City Finalist : Mown with "A Thousand Footsteps". Winner : Desolation_masticore with "Burn the City".
Week 12 : Fiend Hunter
This week's card was Fiend Hunter : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29530975/Break_the_Card_:_Fiend_Hunter Winner : Yuyu63 with "Carnival Hunting". Honorable mention : Dknowle's "Champion the Fiend".
Week 13 : Clock of Omens
This week's card was Clock of Omens : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29541549/Break_the_Card_:_Clock_of_Omens?pg=1 Winner : Dknowle's "The Myrs Go Marching".
Week 14 : Light of Sanction
This week's card was Light of Sanction : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29607219/Break_the_Card_:_Light_of_Sanction?pg=1 Winner : Zauzich's "Divine Plague".
Week 15 : Assemble the Legion
This week's card was Assemble the Legion : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29662307/Break_the_Card_:_Assemble_the_Legion Winner : JBTM's "Some Assembly Required".
Week 16 : High Tide
This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29760427/Break_the_Card_:_High_Tide Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".
Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers
This week's card was Illusionist's Bracers : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29776943/Break_the_Card_:_Illusionistss_Bracers Winner : Enigma256's "Tezzeret's Bracers"
Week 18 : Savor the Moment
This week's card was Savor the Moment : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29787235/Break_the_Card_:_Savor_the_Moment Winner : POSValkir's "A Savory Filibuster!"
Week 19 : Grinning Ignus
This week's card was Grinning Ignus : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29795547/Break_the_Card_:_Grinning_Ignus Winner : dknowle's "Luren' and Laughin'".
Week 20 : Transcendence
This week's card was Transcendence : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29806481/Break_the_Card_:_Transcendence Winners : Mown's "Transcending Timing Restrictions" and Dknowle's "Blinded by Greed", tied for the win.
Week 21 : Mortus Strider
This week's card was Mortus Strider : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29818471/Break_the_Card_:_Mortus_Strider Winner : SimonGlume's "Mortus Head".
Week 22 : High Priest of Penance
This week's card was High Priest of Penance : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29917231/Break_the_Card_High_Priest_of_Penance Winners : JBTM's "Two Clerics and a Goblin walk into a (Bom)bar(dment)..." and POSValkir1's "Choke Their Rivers with Our Dead!".
Week 23 : False Cure
This week's card was False Cure :http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29964239/Break_the_Card_:_False_Cure Winner : Dknowle's "When Hippos Fly".

Week 24 : Akroan Horse

This week's card was Akroan Horse : http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4024821.

Winner : Dknowle's "Indian Giver".

Week 25 : Leylines

This week saw multiple cards being in the contest : all of the Leylines! http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4067621

Winner : POSValkir1's "Laying the Battle Lines".

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My LGS did an amazing job with MM; they scheduled the drafts first, then put the remaining packs up for sale at MSRP, with a limit of three per customer.
Complaining that the store doesn't sell you a promotionnal, foil Jace, the Mind Sculptor for 40$ is delusionnal.

Absolutely. While it's nice to dream about, there is no way that this thing could possibly sell for $40, considering what's in it.
Besides, our Brick & Mortar stores deserve the windfall.

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limiting standard to three copies
may produce better math in the lower tiers
through forced symmetry to the 60 card count
NO WAR

 

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absolute horrid thought
math is not the issue
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limiting standard to three copies
may produce better math in the lower tiers
through forced symmetry to the 60 card count

60 is divisible by 4
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Besides, our Brick & Mortar stores deserve the windfall.


The brick and mortar store that receives one of these and sells it for $250 would make (approximately) the same windfall receiving 15 of these and selling them for about $45.

This has nothing to do with being a "thank you" to the brick and mortar stores.

A larger print run would likely yield the same profit for stores, because demand exists for cards like Jace.  Wizards purposefully protects the second-hand cardboard stock market, and by doing so, keeps players from competitively entering their formats, even the one that's supposed to be accessible.

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limiting standard to three copies
may produce better math in the lower tiers
through forced symmetry to the 60 card count

60 is divisible by 4
not sure what drugs you are taking



most games don't get to 15 cards
or often arrive late
   if they are counting on a key card ability
NO WAR

 

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Besides, our Brick & Mortar stores deserve the windfall.


The brick and mortar store that receives one of these and sells it for $250 would make (approximately) the same windfall receiving 15 of these and selling them for about $45.

This has nothing to do with being a "thank you" to the brick and mortar stores.

A larger print run would likely yield the same profit for stores, because demand exists for cards like Jace.  Wizards purposefully protects the second-hand cardboard stock market, and by doing so, keeps players from competitively entering their formats, even the one that's supposed to be accessible.

And would positively crash the price of JtMS, ticking off every single person who has ever bought or traded for a JtMS before the release of FtV:20.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like a JtMS as much as the next guy, but realistically, I know it isn't going to -and shouldn't- come easily.

And JtMS is still banned in Modern.

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Besides, our Brick & Mortar stores deserve the windfall.


The brick and mortar store that receives one of these and sells it for $250 would make (approximately) the same windfall receiving 15 of these and selling them for about $45.

This has nothing to do with being a "thank you" to the brick and mortar stores.

A larger print run would likely yield the same profit for stores, because demand exists for cards like Jace.  Wizards purposefully protects the second-hand cardboard stock market, and by doing so, keeps players from competitively entering their formats, even the one that's supposed to be accessible.

And would positively crash the price of JtMS, ticking off every single person who has ever bought or traded for a JtMS before the release of FtV:20.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like a JtMS as much as the next guy, but realistically, I know it isn't going to -and shouldn't- come easily.

And JtMS is still banned in Modern.



Crashing the JTMS racket... I mean market wouldnt be a bad thing

There could have been 4 times the ammount printed, stores would sell them at +/-60$ each and most people would be happy and they'd still make insane profit.... Instead you got a bunch of shops that are price gouging the market and a bunch of suckers that are paying too much, while a large majority will refuse to pay those prices or cannot afford them. Like all limited print runs, you piss off MUCH more player than the ones that are racketting the cards printed.

PS I own 2 JTMS and the price is outrageous, it wasnt printed long ago and it's price is higher than most alpha/beta cards.
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Besides, our Brick & Mortar stores deserve the windfall.


The brick and mortar store that receives one of these and sells it for $250 would make (approximately) the same windfall receiving 15 of these and selling them for about $45.

This has nothing to do with being a "thank you" to the brick and mortar stores.

A larger print run would likely yield the same profit for stores, because demand exists for cards like Jace.  Wizards purposefully protects the second-hand cardboard stock market, and by doing so, keeps players from competitively entering their formats, even the one that's supposed to be accessible.



Except it kinda does. Wizards keeps the print run small to increase demand, they put cards like JtMS in it to increase demand then they take this product that they know is in demand, that they know is selling on eBay for $200-$300 each, and what do they do? They sell them to stores for $20 each because having the stores support all year is worth more than the $180-280 in profit that they could have made. 

If you think wizards selling them direct would mean the price was still $40 your delusional. Besides as already said you would just have a small crowd that vultured all of them and then surprise we are right back here where we started. Try supporting an LGS and being a loyal customer chances are if you do they would reward you for your business.
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Can someone please explain the term ITT? I keep seeing it posted and I'm curious what it stands for. Thanks.
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Am I missing something?  Are you not going to be allowed to play if you don't have a card from the 20th Vault product?

Why all the angst about expensive reprints?  
Nope. You must quit Magic if you can't buy FTV:20 ;)

I think the real issue people have is the audacity of WotC to advertise such a bs MSRP. I don't like the fact that the way they talk about it, they try to act like this is "for the players" which is a load of crap, but how else are they going to talk about it?
My solution is simple. Sell unlimited amounts of FTV20, but unfoiled. Give the foiled, extremely limited run version to the LGS's to markup. With the limited amount they're getting, I'm sure they'd still sell at the same absurd amount. Who cares about Jace's value, wizards never sold him for $100 and most people know if you spend a ton of money on a card nowadays, it could tank in value. I think the reserved list was a bad enough idea, no reason to hold back on reprinting any card that obtains a high value.
If Wizards maintained the ~$20 wholesale price but set the MSRP at something like $100, there would be less complaining.
@Reylznce: Exactly. I' rather delude myself into thinking WotC is making the profit over my LGS. I only have this opinion because most of my LGS all price match to SCG, and since I don't ever play in any of the stores the only reason to shop there is to avoid shipping costs (while drastically sacrificing supply/card selection). If I got better deals locally then I did online, I would be more supportive of the idea of WotC basically gifting them money (even if it is indirectly).
Besides, our Brick & Mortar stores deserve the windfall.


The brick and mortar store that receives one of these and sells it for $250 would make (approximately) the same windfall receiving 15 of these and selling them for about $45.

This has nothing to do with being a "thank you" to the brick and mortar stores.

A larger print run would likely yield the same profit for stores, because demand exists for cards like Jace.  Wizards purposefully protects the second-hand cardboard stock market, and by doing so, keeps players from competitively entering their formats, even the one that's supposed to be accessible.


 
Wizards is protecting the resellers and secondary market for their product (which they don't make any money from) by selling less product (which they DO make money on.) This makes absolutely no sense. Providing some show of support for the LGS is admirable, but in practice, all WotC is doing with these "limited print runs" is lining SCG's pockets.

Wasn't the reserved list supposed to banish this nonsense about "can't reprint my valuable cardboard?" And if it didn't work, why is it still around?
I do find it HILARIOUS that people would defend stores that sell stuff at +600% the intended price. And let's be honest, the intended price is ALREADY making them profit.

The intended price the most expensive Magic singles is never that high. Stores still sell them thus. It's in the store's best interest to sell products at a price that maximizes profits while close-to-ensuring sales. Booster packs of the Magic 2014 aren't gonna reach $10 unless they will sell at $10. This is a game. You're entitled to whatever you feel comfortable paying for.
My LGS here sold a limited number of boxes of Modern Masters at RRP when it was released, one per customer to the regulars that wanted it.  I got one then and when there were a few more released after GP Las Vegas raffled off the chance to buy a second box.  I won the raffle and got one more.  The rest were used for limited at RRP prices.

They allowed pre orders of FtV:20 to regulars for however many they knew they were getting.  They don't know how much it is yet, but they said it will be whatever RRP is.  I was lucky enough to be online the moment they announced extra pre orders were available and managed to secure one.

These are the exact reasons why I prefer to make my purchases in store where possible rather than online, even if it is going to cost me a couple of quid more.  That said, I wouldn't object if the LGS sold these items at mark up prices, it would just mean I'd have to think more about how much they were worth to me before buying.

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My LGS is awesome.  They sold limited amounts of Modern Masters so that there would be enough left for drafting, and they sold it at MSRP.



My LGS offered a discount to anyone that pre ordered, but each person was only allowed a certain amount and you had to do it well in advance.

After that they allowed pre ordering at MSRP, again a limited amount per person but it was right up until the last day they could order it themselves

Day of release, anything purchased was MSRP, than they kept a certain amount for draft tournaments (which were charged MSRP + $5 towards additional prize pool)

After that, prices started to go up with any they had left based on current market trends

All I can say is that I think there are stores out there that try to be reasonable; but these cards really are somewhat limited in production volume, the value is going to go up if it's something that is in demand

The only way it would ever make sense for WOTC to do direct sales is if this wasn't a "collectable" style of game, but it's 20 years too late to try and convert this to a monopoly box where everything you ever need comes in one box at one set price. Maybe in another 20 years if the game is too dead to support hobby shops they will do "complete" set games and sell them at toys R us, but I really hope I never see that day

I think the vs boxes and prebuilt decks (archenemy, commander) are the closest they will come to that for a long time. Those things are made in high enough volume to sit on walmart (and target) shelves at MSRP for a year at a time until they go out of print
Am I missing something?  Are you not going to be allowed to play if you don't have a card from the 20th Vault product?

Why all the angst about expensive reprints?  



IKR; especially when the alternative was "not reprint them at all". The real question is, were the people that are complaining now about reprints all up in arms over there not being any new ones printed prior to the reprint?

These were cards that only had X amount in existance that were already in demand, now theres a few more, they are that much easier to get even if only by a small amount

I mean black lotus has like 35,000 copies in existance (if you include collectors edition and such); wizards could print 35,000 more and people would cry that the price of the reprints was too high (no matter what it cost even if it was reasonable). when the reality is: theres now twice as many in the world, if you didnt have one before how does you not having one now change anything? other than it being twice as easy to get one

the problem with that thought pattern is even if (in theory) that meant cutting the value from $2000 to $1000; the kids who think everything should only cost 50 cents will never stop complaining, ever
Collectors should just be fored to give in.

I think that LGS's should sell FTV sets for at most 5$ more than MSRP and Wizards should print more of them to keep profits for stores similar.

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If Wizards maintained the ~$20 wholesale price but set the MSRP at something like $100, there would be less complaining.



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