Yu-Gi-Oh Invited to play MTG by WotC

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Tell me what you guys think about this.

I personally think its great that Wizards is extending its hand out to fellow gamers. It's not just financially a great decision for them, but I believe that politically, they hopefully gonna bring down some tension between MTG and YGO players.

But enough of what I have to say. I wanna know what the general population thinks.
That's quite nice of WotC to do that.

Its also quite an intelligent marketing tactic.
(Which they don't make too often.)
Damn. That's a great maneuver.
Oh man it'll be great to see a bunch of EX YGO PROS now MTG Newbs like make really bad mistakes... (They'll all probably netdeck Boat Brew decks).
Oh man it'll be great to see a bunch of EX YGO PROS now MTG Newbs like make really bad mistakes... (They'll all probably netdeck Boat Brew decks).

Well, that statement was politically savvy.
This sounds like a really cool move on Wizard's part. I know it's easy to construe something like this as just an opportunistic business move, but I like the premise, and the idea of reaching out to fellow card gamers. I hope this brings some enthusiastic new players into the fold.
Also, I think many MTG players underestimate a good YGO players ability. We have this stereo type that they are all dumb and they all cheat, but the fact is most of the players who qualified for Nats could probably smash the majority of MTG players after only playing for a month or so.

I know lots of YGO players played YGO over MTG just because the field is so much easier to play against.
Also, I think many MTG players underestimate a good YGO players ability. We have this stereo type that they are all dumb and they all cheat, but the fact is most of the players who qualified for Nats could probably smash the majority of MTG players after only playing for a month or so.

I know lots of YGO players played YGO over MTG just because the field is so much easier to play against.

I don't know. I played at a Regionals once and there were a lot of good decks, but most of the people there were hyper elitists. (But that may just be my area.)
Also, I think many MTG players underestimate a good YGO players ability. We have this stereo type that they are all dumb and they all cheat, but the fact is most of the players who qualified for Nats could probably smash the majority of MTG players after only playing for a month or so.

I know lots of YGO players played YGO over MTG just because the field is so much easier to play against.

Ummm... No. I don't say they're not good at cards, on the contrary, maybe they are, but someone who's new to MTG is new to MTG, whatever the circumstances. They probably won't think about all the subtlety of being good at Magic, like not overextending, casting after attacking, etc. It takes time to learn those things.
Very good move by WotC. Not only does it boost their public image but it draws in more players and $. The interesting thing is probably going to be seeing how many actually do well. If you play one card game pro-competitively I would think that another card game wouldn't be that difficult to learn and play with the amount of time they have. I'm sure some play magic on the side too so thats another group that will have an advantage.
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Hmm. When I saw the thread title I thought they'd have Yugi trying out M:tG in the cartoon.

This is a good move though, especially if those guys get a taste for it and go back and tell their friends they had fun.
Hmm. When I saw the thread title I thought they'd have Yugi trying out M:tG in the cartoon.

Like they had him do in the DDM mini saga?
Smart move is smart.
Like they had him do in the DDM mini saga?

My Yugi-fu sucks. Did that really happen, or was it some made up game that was obviously ripped off of Magic?
My Yugi-fu sucks. Did that really happen, or was it some made up game that was obviously ripped off of Magic?

You must be thinking of something else. What I meant by DDM was "Dungeon Dice Monsters".
It was basically another game entirely but had nearly the same creatures as the card game did.

Sorry.
like not overextending, casting after attacking, etc. It takes time to learn those things.

im no expert but I think they have these things in ygo also.
You must be thinking of something else. What I meant by DDM was "Dungeon Dice Monsters".
It was basically another game entirely but had nearly the same creatures as the card game did.

Sorry.

D'oh! Now that you mention it, I think I remember that, lol.

im no expert but I think they have these things in ygo also.

Yeah, a lot of it can be reapplied in different ways, though they might fall foul of things like putting damage on the stack before bouncing, and things like that.
I played started playing Yugioh while I played Magic, though I later stopped playing Yugioh because it was cost prohibitive to play both games. I never played Yugioh as nearly competitively as Magic, only going to local tournaments and this was a while ago so I may be somewhat dated, but my impression was that it would be easier to go from Magic to Yugioh. Magic had far more stringent and complex rules. Many skills carried over from Magic and I'm sure it would work the other way too but probably to a lesser extent. Even so in the end there are still the nuances that take some of time to learn.
Hopefully two of them play eachother and one flips a Cryptic, countering a main phase spell and tapping his opponents creatures while he says "You've walked into my Trap Card!"
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Does this mean WotC is also going to make Magic Dice Monsters?
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Magic is simply a much more advanced and complex game. Most yugi players only have to think about building their decks and side decks to handle Mirror matches and maybe 2-3 other good decks.
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Nice business move on WOTC's part though.
Magic is simply a much more advanced and complex game.

But that doesn't mean YGO is all easy all the time. There's a lot more depth there than most Magic players like to admit. It's just a much different game- no resource system to speak of means that things tend to get out of hand a lot quicker.

Either way I really like this move on WotC's part.
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Interesting idea...seems like a good prong of their "ZOMG! We want new players!" theme, and a better idea than the cheapo packs...granted, that isbn't saying much.

Presumably, the factors that make someone a top-caliber player at one TCG will help someone with another, even if there's a big learning curve with the specifics of the other game.

Not sure how many will actually switch, though.
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Well, more players for Magic is always a good thing for WotC, it probably means more boosters sold (Looking at the Boosters, Magic apparently looks more of a steal than YGO, since we have 15-Card Boosters [Or 6, for that matter]).

More newbies in Magic is always good for those professional heartless people out there who willl convince people that their Steam Vents are useless and should trade them for something with high 'attack and defense', like a Fusion Elemental.

Of course if they jump straight into the tournament scene, expect easy wins.

But from the way most YGO decks are similar, expect a rise of netdeckers after a while.
But that doesn't mean YGO is all easy all the time. There's a lot more depth there than most Magic players like to admit.

If by depth you mean their pockets then yeah.It costs $$$ to play that game.
Also, I think this is very unfair if they just let em play. The MTG players earned their Invite by excelling at MTG, not Yugi-oh
Also, I think this is very unfair if they just let em play. The MTG players earned their Invite by excelling at MTG, not Yugi-oh

Yeah, something about that doesn't sit well with me. They'd have to get competitive fast in order to compete.
They'd have to get the cards, learn the game, learn the finer points of play, learn what the top decks are, etc....

If that happened to me I'd just say "I like the offer but there's no way I could compete with my grizzly bears.dec."
Talk about recruiting the cream of the crop from yugioh. It's a nice gesture, I'm not really sure too many of them will take up the offer to make a huge impact anyway.

When I first saw the thread title I though the real life Yu-Gi-Oh started playing magic. He would be one tough player using his secret tech the heart of the cards. Oh yeah and this would be a good place to insert that smiley.
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But that doesn't mean YGO is all easy all the time. There's a lot more depth there than most Magic players like to admit. It's just a much different game- no resource system to speak of means that things tend to get out of hand a lot quicker.

Either way I really like this move on WotC's part.

In general yugioh is easy. Granted yugioh isn't easy , per se, to play at an advanced level(regional level and higher), but it doesn't come close to being as difficult as Magic. I am a Yugioh player(3 years), a WoW player(2 years), and a Magic player(6 months) so I can honestly say that Magic is far more complex and requires more skill than Yu-gi-oh.
I know it's easy to construe something like this as just an opportunistic business move

Of course it is. Don't pretend it's anything but.
but I like the premise, and the idea of reaching out to fellow card gamers.

It does say "hey, we're not going to drop you like a rock when the IP holders waffle."

Brilliant move, all around.
Very slick move.

It's interesting that so many of WOTC recent changes to MTG were to go after YGH players (40 card intro decks, six card boosters). With YGH on thin ice, I wonder if WOTC would go back to 60 card decks and maybe even bring back Tournament packs?
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Very slick move.

It's interesting that so many of WOTC recent changes to MTG were to go after YGH players (40 card intro decks, six card boosters). With YGH on thin ice, I wonder if WOTC would go back to 60 card decks and maybe even bring back Tournament packs?

if they can bring in enough of the YGO support i dont see why they wouldnt try to switch it back.
make it feel like home and then show them what home really is.
Talk about recruiting the cream of the crop from yugioh. It's a nice gesture, I'm not really sure too many of them will take up the offer to make a huge impact anyway.

When I first saw the thread title I though the real life Yu-Gi-Oh started playing magic. He would be one tough player using his secret tech the heart of the cards. Oh yeah and this would be a good place to insert that smiley.

You mean Nassif and his little card calling trick?
Hopefully two of them play eachother and one flips a Cryptic, countering a main phase spell and tapping his opponents creatures while he says "You've walked into my Trap Card!"

That would be epic.
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Also, I think this is very unfair if they just let em play. The MTG players earned their Invite by excelling at MTG, not Yugi-oh

I completely agree. Yeah there thing was cancelled, but it was for a totally different game. Maybe if it was held in another room at the place and it was them playing Yu-Gi-Oh, but getting an automatic in to Magic Nats when the rest of us have to compete to play and win an invite or last chance grinder is a total slap in the face when all we would have had to do was be going to Yu-Gi-Oh nats. If WotC wants them to play let them win there spot in a grinder, don't just hand them a free spot because Konami sucks.
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Hopefully two of them play eachother and one flips a Cryptic, countering a main phase spell and tapping his opponents creatures while he says "You've walked into my Trap Card!"

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Oh man it'll be great to see a bunch of EX YGO PROS now MTG Newbs like make really bad mistakes... (They'll all probably netdeck Boat Brew decks).

Even if they do netdeck the top decks, Magic, with all its rules and nuances, is not a game that you can just pick up just because you pick up a lot of good cards.

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Great move by WotC, though.

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Its the same reason why GM owns both Chevrolet and Cadillac.

As the buyer grows older, they can grow into new products. Its a brilliant move. Its a chance to sell product to buyers who we know are prone to buying product. These players have proven that they like trading card games, have the income to support the hobby, and actively look for opportunities to get involved in the game. Its a perfect target audience, and its a perfect opportunity.

They get to do the "gentlemanly" thing of inviting players in. It makes all those players' hard work not be wasted.



PS: I'm sure there's some company buacrat though who says that Hasbro has to do something. Hasbro sales are hasbro sales, you know? But thats the negative image.
I always enjoy the possibility of bringing people from Yu-Gi-Oh to Magic. I don't know anybody who actually thinks Yu-Gi-Oh is a better game, not that it isn't a good one in its own right. The biggest thing I've noticed about Yu-Gi-Oh is that it's a game of paranoia. The entire game can get turned around by a single card very easily, and the game often turns into each player just trading the lead practically every turn. The ability to come back is great, but it's meaningless if it happens all the time.

In regards to the players, I'm sure none of them could possibly make top 8, but they will definitely surprise Magic regulars. They'll know how to do their homework, and many principles that exist in Yu-Gi-Oh also exist in Magic, just in different forms. The only thing I can see them having some difficulty with is working the idea of a mana curve, but netdecking will go a long way to fixing that. Heck, I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of them makes a rough version of an undiscovered super deck.
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