EDIT: The same goes for the Martial Power 2 and Adventurer's Vault 2 playtests. They all show in the CB also. It's appearance int he CB doesn't mean anything about it's legality in the campaign.
If the source is some online preview....it should say so.....saying that it is from a specific issue implies that it is from that issue.
Wait, doesn't that make them Character Builder debut content, thus legal for LFR?
Debut would mean that it was in the CB first, which wasn't the case with the wilden who was first in Dragon and then in CB.
Right. However Martial Power 2 and Adventurer's Vault 2 content haven't appeared anywhere else except for the Character Builder. So clearly that debuted in the Character Builder, right?
Well no. From what I've gathered it doesn't. Did it debut in the character builder? Yes. Is it considered to have debuted in the character builder? no. Why? Because that's the way it works :P
They appeared as Dragon articles
I know you're just being argumentative just to be silly, but just to clear things up so there's no confusion for others: They appeared as Dragon articles, just not compiled. So no, they didn't debut in the CB/Comp and aren't considered Debut material. Debut material such as the Psion is only in the CB/Comp and has an explanatory article with a big logo that says it's Debut Material.
They did? I honestly thought they just appeared in the character builder as a small preview?
Is the compendium still considered to be that final arbiter of what is allowed in LFR?
I can't access the compendium from work any more to check...
It would be nice if someone would let us know "what trumps what"... there needs to be a "final say"... and it should be in the CCG!
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Right. However Adventurer's Vault 2 content hasn't appeared anywhere else except for the Character Builder. So clearly that debuted in the Character Builder, right?
Right. We need to specify what we're talking about when we say "they." I was talking about the Adventurer's Vault 2 content that is in the character builder, but (AFAIK) hasn't been in any Dragon issues.Now I could be wrong. But I don't remember any Orb of Sequestered Glacier in an issue of dragon (compiled version or otherwise). But my memory has proven faulty in the past ;)
Wilden are a clear case of in dragon but not compiled. Unless I missed it, the AV2 content just appeared in the character builder one day.
I know you're just being argumentative just to be silly
However I don't know how you are supposed to figure out whether something did debut in the CB or not after several month have passed.
At the end of the day the onus falls on the player to make sure they have a legal character.
Dragon 370, Playtest: Adventurer's Vault 2
Importantly, the orbs of sequestered conflict require the (crudely drawn) maps from the article to be usable.
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Now, if you wanted to play a dwarf, raised by wilden - who BELIEVES themself to be a wilden, behaves as a wilden, (maybe even disfigured himself in an attempt to be more wilden-like) etc etc etc, I doubt most people would object.
Presumably unless you've loaded the RPGA Living Forgotten Realms campaign settings in the CM...
It looks like it IS legal. The CCG lists the player resources that are legal and the 6/19/09 version lists "D&D Insider Character Builder exclusive content" as a legal resource. So even though the Wilden race is not in the compiled Dragon 374, its inclusion in the CB as a LFR legal race makes it legal.
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If you don't stay abreast of what's going on in the campaign, then yes, it could be confusing. Things are constantly changing in the campaign as new material is released and the CCG is updated. At the end of the day the onus falls on the player to make sure they have a legal character.
That is an interesting conundrum. Does the Wilden race show up in the free version of the Character Builder?
Wow, way to blame the player for a problem of WotC's making.
Even a player who stays abreast of news, rules, and policy is screwed if he doesn't have a DDI subscription. The Character Builder lists the Wilden as a legal option from Dragon #374. If the player looks at that issue, he'll see an article titled "Playtest: Player's Handbook 3" that talks about the Wilden. From the information that he has, it's reasonable to conclude that the Wilden are a legal option, because they're printed in Dragon #374, which is a legal resource for LFR. If he can't download the compiled issue, he has no way of knowing that it doesn't show up there.
Then, when he shows up at your table, you're going to tell him it's his fault that he didn't know any better, because even though he knows all the relevant rules, he isn't shelling out $$$/month. That's real nice.
If he doesn't have a DDI subscription, I have to wonder how he has a full copy of the Character Builder in the first place. If the player is using a full version of the CB without a subscription and they don't know what is actually legal fromt he issues, this is still a PEBKAC issue.
Okay, now I have another question:
Why aren't Wilden in the Compiled Issue? I hate the idea of a simple oversight blocking out an entire race from my playable choices.