So if I read the Character Creation guidelines correctly Warforged are going to be allowed in LFR???
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Umm... I must be missing something. Where does it say that?
This Character Creation Guide is used for all
sanctioned RPGA programs in which you have to
bring your own character. In addition to the general
rules in this guide, each program has its own
appendix with additional information specific to the
The MM is not listed as a possible source and Dragon mag for playtests seemingly only applies to classes.
Races are singled out as being something unlocked with campaign cards.
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Is there some way I can plead with the RPGA to never allow warforged in LFR?
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Warforged, however, don't fit the setting. I am very much against trying to shoehorn in monsters that don't suit the setting.
Canon should not stop you if you can work something well with a good idea in a personal game.
Fair enough...but we're talking about LFR here, which isn't a home game, and is considered to be canonical.
Personal opinion here:
If you like warforged, great. If you want to play them, wait for 4e eberron and keep them out of FR...
Hell that's how we got tieflings shoved down our throats to replace gnomes.
If the guidelines are left as is I will try and sneak as much non-FR stuff as I can into each character I make. That includes making a Warforged character (or Artificer if they put that in Dragon)
Maybe we can get this stickied. Read the Character Creation Guidelines carefully. The rules that were just released are GENERIC RPGA rules. Each campaign, program, or event that falls under the RPGA will get an appendix within the rules that clarify and limit what is allowed in each individual campaign.
What is allowed or not allowed in LFR will be determined by the staff and then included in the LFR appendix to the document that was just released.
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That is my problem with this wording. It is easier for them to include what they want to use then it is for them to exclude what they don't want. Sure it gets messy and wordy (and again I cite Living Greyhawk) but that's the way it is.
However, I know a LOT of players are really into the cannon and want to maintain 'purity' (my roomate is the biggest FR fan I know, if I ever have questions about the cannon I always ask him). As we have seen in discussions on the matter, these players have a knee-jerk reaction to the matter.
...and I am pretty sure that warforged won't be 'rare' if allowed...
This will be clarified in version 1.1. Simply put, if it's in Dragon, and it's a player resource, it's allowed. There will be few modifications to this.
We won't need to issue a monthly document, since I anticipate very few items in Dragon that are obviously for player use (classes, races, paragon paths, feats, powers, etc.) being restricted in any RPGA program. Magic items and rituals fall into a different category because we have an access system being set up for those.
As version 1.0 of the Character Creation Guidelines are not yet LFR legal then any speculation on whether some race from a non-core source will be available in LFR is pretty pointless at the moment.
The Character Creation Guide is currently legal, but is expected to be updated in July. It says "For new races, feats, powers, and other options, you need to have a RPGA Rewards card that grants you access and have it in your card stack (see below) or the option needs to be specifically mentioned in the appropriate appendix for the program." So, lacking warforged reward card, warforged is not currently an allowed race in LFR, even if it is presented as a player resourse in Dragon Magazine. The LFR appendix, when added, can add races that don't require reward cards (probably genasi will be added, but we will have to wait and see). It is highly unlikely that an update will disallow the current 4e reward card races, which currently are LFR legal for card owners.
That sentence is part of the same paragraph as the one explaining what are allowed player resources. It's explaining that cards may grant access to resources not listed above (like Dragon magazine).
This is confirmed by Chris Tulach.
He posted that in reply to my explaining to others the two interpratations of the paragraph in question (click the little blue arrow in his quote to see the rest of the thread).
No, that does not contradict or modify what I quoted. Chris confirmed that it would be allowed in the campaign, but the CCG implies, as quoted, that allowed races require reward cards to be used in a campaign, unless an update to the CCG says otherwise, as may happen when the LFR appendix is released. Without mention in an update, a reward card is sufficient to use new player material, but it is also necessary.