The Extended Decks to Beat Thread Index

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The Extended Decks to Beat Thread Index



What are the Decks to Beat?
The Decks to Beat are the top decks in the format. These are the ones that you should expect to play against in tournaments and what you should test against. The Decks to Beat are based on popularity, so it will usually be the most powerful decks, but not always.

Thread links and short descriptions:

Affinity
Aggro
Affinity uses cheap, efficient creatures with Mirrodin block's Affinity ability to quickly power out beats and keep the pressure on. It uses Arcbound Ravager, Frogmite, and the like for quick beatdown, in addition to using Thoughtcast to gain card advantage. Some versions also use Red for Atog and Fatal Frenzy to end the game in a flash.
Affinity Primer by blackcat77

Burn
Aggro
Mono red burn is an aggro deck that tries to bring down its opponent's life total to 0 as fast as possible. To achieve this, efficient burn spells make up most of the maindeck. It is slightly slower than other aggro decks, but it makes up for this with a painless mana base and making its opponent's removal dead, or, at the very least, have the few creatures that it runs do damage when they die.
Burn Primer by iamajellydonut

Deathcloud
Control
Deathcloud is a deck similar to The Rock, in that it combines disruption, mana acceleration, and big threats to create a powerful deck. The printing of Lorwyn’s Planeswalkers, particularly Garruk Wildspeaker, allowed Rock decks with Death Cloud to become very popular and powerful decks. Death Cloud has no effect on the Planeswalkers, so you have a very powerful card on your side of the board while your opponent has nothing. After that, winning is rather easy. Tarmogoyf and Ravenous Baloth also give the deck powerful anti-aggro tools and an alternate win-condition.
Deathcloud Primer by blackcat77

Elves!
Combo
Elves! is a combo deck that uses Glimpse of Nature to draw through its deck while producing large amounts of mana through Heritage Druid or Birchlore Rangers. Nettle Sentinel is particularly powerful with Heritage Druid and Birchlore Rangers, due to its untapping ability. Summoner’s Pact and Chord of Calling get the pieces you need to start the combo and let you continue it if you draw them while going off. Once you have built up an army of elves, you can win with a variety of cards, the most popular being Predator Dragon.
Elves! Primer by Lynx_The_one

Faeries
Control
Faeries began as a humble tribal deck in post-Lorwyn Standard before becoming a dominant force in Block and Standard with the inclusion of Bitterblossom from Morningtide. The Extended version of the deck is a very different animal, but the deck still relies on a number of powerful Faerie synergies, while playing a popular suite of the most powerful blue spells in the format. Spell Snare, Mana Leak, Spellstutter Sprite, and others control your opponent while you drop threats like Vendillion Clique and possibly Bitterblossom and Mistbind Clique.
Faeries Primer by Narcissist

Next Level Blue
Control
Next Level Blue is a Blue control deck that splashes Green for Tarmogoyf. It uses cards like Spell Snare, Stifle, and Remand to gain lots of tempo early, then drops a Goyf and beats for the win. Vedalken Shackles and sometimes Threads of Disloyalty are used to steal the opponents’ best creatures. Ancestral Visions provides excellent card advantage.
Next Level Blue Primer by thehouse

Reliquary Loam
Midrange
Reliquary Loam is a variant of The Rock that uses Life From the Loam along with Raven's Crime and cycling lands to create a powerful card drawing engine. It also uses powerful disruption like Path to Exile and Thoughtseize. Tarmogoyf, Knight of the Reliquary, and Kitchen Finks provide the beatdown.
Reliquary Loam Primer by RathiAssassin

RGW Zoo
Aggro
RGW Zoo, as the name implies, is an aggro deck using Red, Green, and White. It uses efficient creatures and burn to win the game very quickly. This speed makes it arguably the best aggro deck in Extended and gives it a great matchup against control and other aggro decks. Recently, it has become more popular than Domain Zoo due to its improved matchups against Faeries, Burn, and Deathcloud.
RGW Zoo Primer by mntwinsfan

TEPS
Combo
TEPS, or The Extended Perfect Storm, refers to a small group of decks that seek to win the game through a big Mind’s Desire. It uses card drawing and mana acceleration to fuel Desire. Casting a Mind’s Desire with a storm count of 5 or more is almost always enough to win the game. Win conditions vary, but Tendrils of Agony and Grapeshot] + [c]Pyromancer’s Swath are the most common.
TEPS Primer by mishima_kazuya
I call for the removal of tezzerator, NLU, and TEPS. Other than that, it's great.
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I call for the removal of tezzerator, NLU, and TEPS. Other than that, it's great.

TEPS and NLU I agree with, but why Tezzerator? It tied for the fourth most popular deck at Worlds and will most likely continue to be popular.
TEPS and NLU I agree with, but why Tezzerator? It tied for the fourth most popular deck at Worlds and will most likely continue to be popular.

Maybe. I think as people start to realize that it may not be as good as originally though just because of the surprise it'll decrease in popularity. Lets leave it there and see what happens to it. We should keep our eye on it though. Also, I just linked to this in my FAQ ;).
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TEPS is a deck that you need to test against, so I think it should remain.

Seems to me that it's at the level where it should remain in the TC with an archetype tag.
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Looks great, I really like the format.

Easy to update, and easy to maintain. Way better than a DtB section.

EDIT: Shouldn't this be stickied in the Tournament Center though?
EDIT: Shouldn't this be stickied in the Tournament Center though?

I was about to ask this, too, actually. I didn't realize it was posted in General rather than the TC at first.

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Because frankly, being here depresses me these days.

I like the idea!

I'm thinking it should be implemented into standard.
2:25 PM sneakattackkid: my basics are worth more... 5:21 PM Nighthavk_: I was splitting more 8-4s than a hooker splits her legs. 11:42 PM Nighthavk_: because honestly, your opponent may be caw, but he'll probably be a drooling idiot who just found out porn exists.
Looks great, I really like the format.

Easy to update, and easy to maintain. Way better than a DtB section.

EDIT: Shouldn't this be stickied in the Tournament Center though?

Thanks.

Are we going to use this as a place for discussion of which decks become DtBs, or use the DtB FAQ and Maintenance thread for that and keep this as a reference thread?
Thanks.

Are we going to use this as a place for discussion of which decks become DtBs, or use the DtB FAQ and Maintenance thread for that and keep this as a reference thread?

I vote we use this, since it's other function takes 1 post.
2:25 PM sneakattackkid: my basics are worth more... 5:21 PM Nighthavk_: I was splitting more 8-4s than a hooker splits her legs. 11:42 PM Nighthavk_: because honestly, your opponent may be caw, but he'll probably be a drooling idiot who just found out porn exists.
I vote we use this, since it's other function takes 1 post.

Agreed.

In that vein, I'd remove NLU and add Burn (it had as many players as Death Cloud and Tezzerator, and considering its good matchups vs Fae and Zoo, it will continue to see play).

Affinity doesn't really deserve to stay as long as its Elves matchup remains so very, very bad, but I can appreciate that it may come up from time to time at PTQs (more often than it did at Worlds, at any rate). And it does have a good matchup against most Fae opponents, which is a big positive.
NLU should go.

Affinity is rather difficult to decide. It isn't a great deck and didn't do well at Worlds, but it did win the PTQ and you should expect to face it at this season.

Burn should go in.

What about Tron? If you combine all of the Tron decks together, they were the fourth most played deck at Worlds and will most likely be a factor this PTQ season.
NLU should go.

Affinity is rather difficult to decide. It isn't a great deck and didn't do well at Worlds, but it did win the PTQ and you should expect to face it at this season.

Burn should go in.

What about Tron? If you combine all of the Tron decks together, they were the fourth most played deck at Worlds and will most likely be a factor this PTQ season.

All 3 popular versions of Tron (as one) should probably go in as well since combined, they did rather well (U/G, U/W, and the monsterous U/B).
All 3 popular versions of Tron (as one) should probably go in as well since combined, they did rather well (U/G, U/W, and the monsterous U/B).

Agreed.

Whose up for making a primer? I can do a thread with a basic description and decklists, but I don't know enough about the deck to go into more detail.
Sounds like a monstrously large Tron thread. Not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with the idea, as it's definitely the best way to do it right now, but...it'll take some time to put together.

I'll start working on a thread if no one else steps up to try it.
Is there anyway we could get All-in-Red put in Here. There is already a primer for it, and it seems to be much more part of the metagame then NLU.
Is there anyway we could get All-in-Red put in Here. There is already a primer for it, and it seems to be much more part of the metagame then NLU.

I think Burn has done well enough to be added, and I think either Death Cloud can be made to incorporate BG Loam or a new thread should be created and put here for it.
At this point, I'm going to be adding Burn. All-in Red is still up for debate, but it should also be here IMO. Depends on what avenged_sixfold and Enigmata want.
Thank you
At this point, I'm going to be adding Burn. All-in Red is still up for debate, but it should also be here IMO. Depends on what avenged_sixfold and Enigmata want.

AIR is cheap to build and explosive. You'll see it when you play. I see no reason not to include it in this list, especially as it has posted results.
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AIR is cheap to build and explosive. You'll see it when you play. I see no reason not to include it in this list, especially as it has posted results.

Added.
Im still curious as to why a normal, more classic Rock deck isnt in the format still. Think about it. Birds, troll, hippys, thoughtseize, dark confidant.... even baloth is still legal, And putrefy is very good. Anyone else agree that a normal rock deck would still do pretty good in the format???. Oh and even jitte. Basically nothing from the old decks cycled out. I dont get whyits not played anymore.
Im still curious as to why a normal, more classic Rock deck isnt in the format still. Think about it. Birds, troll, hippys, thoughtseize, dark confidant.... even baloth is still legal, And putrefy is very good. Anyone else agree that a normal rock deck would still do pretty good in the format???. Oh and even jitte. Basically nothing from the old decks cycled out. I dont get whyits not played anymore.

You mean something like Doran Rock but with Hippy instead of Doran? It would have a bad Zoo matchup if it's anything like that. On top of that, the Loam engine is just too powerful not to play unless you're playing Deathcloud, which is more of a control deck that the one you're talking about.
I'm sure there's more lists in the tournament center then there are in the OP here.
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I'm sure there's more lists in the tournament center then there are in the OP here.

This is just for the Decks to Beat. The Tournament Center is for any serious, competitive deck.
Given at least 8 Top 8's and at least 3 first places at recent PTQ's, I hereby move to submit Reliquary Loam into the decks to beat list.
Given at least 8 Top 8's and at least 3 first places at recent PTQ's, I hereby move to submit Reliquary Loam into the decks to beat list.

Added.
I'm thinking about removing AIR and Domain Zoo from the list, as they haven't been doing well in quite a while. Thoughts, anyone? Especially the forum guides.
I'm thinking about removing AIR and Domain Zoo from the list, as they haven't been doing well in quite a while. Thoughts, anyone? Especially the forum guides.

Okay, I'm just going to do this because it's obviously the right choice. Enigmata and A6X, be more active.
New kid on the block: HypoCade. If they start posting the Ext top 8s like they should check out the 5/17/09 lists. You will see 3 lists in the top 8 and I took mine to the final table.
New kid on the block: HypoCade. If they start posting the Ext top 8s like they should check out the 5/17/09 lists. You will see 3 lists in the top 8 and I took mine to the final table.

Not a Deck to Beat at this point.
I doubt it'll ever be one. There's so much hate against it and the current DtBs don't even have to change anything. Chalice at 0 easily kills it.
Could you update the burn-link? The one that you have is outdated and locked.
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1166830 is the new one.
Could you update the burn-link? The one that you have is outdated and locked.
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1166830 is the new one.

Done.
Where I play at, TEPS takes top four everytime. I ran Raffinity, and mowed through Elves, Faeries, and control.

Whats disgusting about TEPS is it is a fairly cheap deck to make, as most of the win condition cards are uncommon. I highly recommend to all starting extended players to be wary of this. Sideboard Silence or Duress
I am currently running: Standard: Infected Rock (BG Infect) Phylactery Beatdown (Mono Black) Legacy: Affinity Madness Vintage: UB Gorger
With Duress back in extended now, and onslaught block about to leave, Dragonstorm and Pyromancer's Grapeshot are the only storm decks avaliable, and there are more than enough tools to beat them already.
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With Duress back in extended now, and onslaught block about to leave, Dragonstorm and Pyromancer's Grapeshot are the only storm decks avaliable, and there are more than enough tools to beat them already.

I can guarantee you something will pop up. It just won't be quite as efficient as storm last year. The meta is in an ever-changing state, so when people start dropping those cards from their boards it will become good, only to be hated out and start the cycle again. It happened with elves too.
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Incidentally, it's time to update the DtB section. If it doesn't horribly offend anyone, I'll begin with Zoo.

I am actually very curious about this since im just getting into Extended and Standard. Of course Zoo is pretty strong right now and popular (especially since the pro tour austin deck that won the whole thing). What I've noticed about zoo is how virtually everything there is a possible game changer. A cast of Baneslayer, Goyf, Nactyls, and that recurring burn spell are just a few of the many weapons available to the zoo player. Perhaps Zoo is currently doing so well that combo is the only thing that puts pressure on it instead of other aggro creature decks.


You could definately say that Hypergenesis is in strong contention as a deck to beat. Many think this deck should have won the Austin Pro Tour event (there was an rule infraction that lead to this controversy).


Dredge is also on the list due to the number of players who placed well using the deck.


I would like to just point out that all of these decks have sideboards that hate them out and I read countless forums discussing how this card or that card will shut them down. Still, the pros boarded for these decks and they still did very well. Hate is great, but you have to have it in hand, resolve it, and expect they dont have an answer to it. Sorry about the rant there I hate it when a whole deck gets dismissed bc of a hate card.


Aside from that Dark Depths combo was played frequently and there was some interesting Gifts that day. Gift decks have good midrange power in the format I believe (thats my opinion) but you also have to really know how to pilot the deck to do well.


All in all, I would say Zoo, Hyper, Dredge, and possibly DD combo.

Thats based on what I saw from Austin and gathered from any new tech that might be out there.

Perhaps its time to update?