I'm not seeing any binding DCs- does their epic potency mean you've got no hope of overmastering their influence? That's cool and all, but I'd like to see it stated explicitly.
I really like the vestiges and feats, though.
The epic vestiges found below are even more powerful than their nonepic counterparts, since they represent the fractured remnant of a dead god that sacrificed itself for its people, the essence of a continent that an alien creature consumed, the collective souls of the slain firstborn of an empire, or the displaced soul of an alien harbinger of apocalypse.
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within was a cute little movie, but I do not really see why it should be added to D&D.
All these soul collectors just sound like twisted liches or something.
I understand they are trying to add new things and such, but can we get something new rather than copied form other mediums of fantasy entertainment?
Someone mentioned ring being containers for trapped souls and that be the reason low levels could not use rings, in another thread. This looks like it agree with that idea. I am not really in favor of such a thing being part of D&D.
But by all means, lets keep D&D "pure" -- no more vorpal swords (those are from Lewis Carol) or Trolls (those are from Germanic Folklore), Halflings (hobbits), dwarves (germanic folklore), elves (Gaelic faerie ales, for the most part), not to mention Bahamut, Tiamat, Meilikki, Minotaurs, Medusas, Rangers, Paladins, golems, et cetera, et cetera....
I just don't like the pieces of souls bit. If I wanted to do a strict comparison to call it a rip off I could have easily mentioned Harry Potter and Horcruxi
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Odd, I always viewed those as a phylactery ripoff. . . .
The question rests in where did those who may come newly to D&D to have seen the soul pieces first, and what may draw them to an aspect of D&D?
With soul pieces how to you reincarnate, or ressurrect someone unless you have al the pieces?
Do normal people never fall prey to these binders?
What happens when a binder takes a part of a soul from a PC? Do they cease to be able to function as a PC, transform into some type of abberation?
Does it mean that each of the new teirs will have its own version of classes? At level 11 you choose yet another class, and at level 21 still another.
What if you don't want these new classes but want a normal old fighter or wizard. Will you somehow be underpowered with the invention of these other level classes if you do not take them, making you feel as though you must take them, or they must be denied to all players unless all agree to take them?
Will these be a part of the core products that will make it seem to make it the way the game was intended to play and every changing classes are the norm, and those who do not wish to constantly adapt to a new class jsut because they moved into a new "teir" are no longer suited to play the game as PCs and maybe even players?
There are many implications to these "epic binders" that are of yet unanswered without the rest of the game at hand to judge them and what part they have to play in the whole of the game.
It may all be a new thiing solely for Dragon, and not something having to do with the core of D&D, but everything including the former magazines is now core even if you are not a subscriber and get the material. So not being in the first few books means that being core it would still somehow need to balance with unaugmented classes that do not take some form of prestige class or class "kits", or whatever name they may now hold with the new edition.
The Binder as a class first appeared in the Tome of Magic sourcebook. Rules governing the Binders can be found there, including what makes an aspect powerful enough to allow it to be bound. As such, there are no rules beyond what is listed there that allow for any of the variations you mention above. That is to say, if any of your items listed become an issue in your game, then blame your DM, 'cause it is not the fault of the designers.
As far as power creep is concerned - well it is true it happens to some degree with every extra sourcebook that comes out. But Binders are NOT an example of this, by far.
Finally, this is about the Epic Binders article that appeared in Dragon magazine. You may get a better response on the details of the class in the 3.5 magic thread.
I am really not interested in 3rd edition. I am interested in learning about the new edition. I don't see why I would need an obsolete book or information from it to possibly play the new ediiton. Will the new edition require purchase of the old editions books to play certain parts of it?
All I know of these binders to bring about the questions I presented are from the article on Epic Binders.
I was under the impression that the abilities of the binder were being put into the new 4th edition Warlock.
Is that correct ???