Where's Dungeoncraft?

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So, "Episode 1" of Dungeoncraft, "It's Never Too Early," was posted on October 19. In it, James Wyatt put some flesh on the bones of the rumors we've been gnawing by expanding a bit on "points of light," giving a bit more background on the races of 4e, throwing in a few teasers on religion, and sketching out a rough landscape for adventure.

The end of the article confidently advertised, "Next month: The dungeons of Greenbrier Chasm!"

And now it's December. Where's "Episode 2"?

I want to hear more about the relics of the ancient empire, the wastelands of the eladrin's burned forest, the evil plans of the wild shifters, the ruins of Tower Watch, and, obviously, the mysteries at the bottom of Greenbrier Chasm. Of course, if James Wyatt wants to take several episodes to cover all of that, it's fine by me. And if, while he's at it, he'd like to throw in a few preview sentences about social encounters, skill challenges, monster challenge ratings, treasure distribution, level progressions, or whatever else, then that's just gravy.

But if Wizards has too few hands striving after too much content... maybe they need to revise their expectations for either staffing or schedules. (Is this a sign of the evils of Hasbro, trying to wring blood out of a stone?)
So, "Episode 1" of Dungeoncraft, "It's Never Too Early," was posted on October 19...

The end of the article confidently advertised, "Next month: The dungeons of Greenbrier Chasm!"

And now it's December. Where's "Episode 2"?

Don't ask questions like that! They're doing a bang-up job -- I've been told that repeatedly (mostly by WotC).

Of course, the magazines are going bi-monthly, so you're going to have to wait until December for 'Episode 2.' Given that, you might come to one of these conclusions:
  • They didn't, at the time, know the magazine would be bi-monthly -- the decision was made abruptly, less than a month before the next 'issue' was due (some might call that incompetence).
  • They knew, but told us otherwise (some might call that lying).
  • James Wyatt can't read a calendar (this one I doubt).


You decide :/
Sadly, content for their alleged 'e-zines' seems to be WAAAAAAAAY at the bottom of their priority list, ranking somewhere between 'Clean office goldfish bowl' and 'design work on the Gigli RPG'
And now it's December. Where's "Episode 2"?

Of course, the magazines are going bi-monthly, so you're going to have to wait until December for 'Episode 2.'

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Oh, sorry. You were being funny.

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Hello! [tap tap] Is this thing on?

Oh, sorry. You were being funny.

Never mind.

LOL

Of course, I wish the whole thing was funny :/
Hi folks: I was brought on board to do some cartography work for the next Dungeoncraft installment, but I got some wires crossed regarding the timeframe that the finished maps would be needed. The delay may therefore be my fault.

In any case, I believe you can expect to see the article soon, and I hope you'll find it to be worth the wait. I'm pretty excited about it and glad that I got the opportunity to work with James and contribute to the feature!
Christopher West, Cartographer Maps of Mastery
Sadly, content for their alleged 'e-zines' seems to be WAAAAAAAAY at the bottom of their priority list, ranking somewhere between 'Clean office goldfish bowl' and 'design work on the Gigli RPG'

WOW
Cool when will we see the Gigli RPg..
That means they are higher on the priority list than I actually expected..
I'd like to chime in and say I really enjoyed the first Dungeoncraft article and would love to see more, in fact, I'm pretty sure it was my favouret Dugeon Article so far.

I can certainly understand delays (being mostly a Star Wars RPG fan you get a little acclimated to it after a while), so I'll keep my whinning and violent gesturing to a minnimum for now, I just want to show my support for the article and add some encouragement to see more.

(on a more cut throat note, its articles like this, and how well they're handled that will likely tip the scales and determine if I have the money for a DnDInsider subscription when the time comes... hint hint, nudge nudge)

To reiterate, WotC, I'm cheering for you, I would love to see more Dungeoncraft, and a good reason to enhance my general impovrishment!

PS: Ooh some maps would be a cool addition
He who should not speak...
I'd like to chime in and say I really enjoyed the first Dungeoncraft article and would love to see more, in fact, I'm pretty sure it was my favouret Dugeon Article so far.

I can certainly understand delays (being mostly a Star Wars RPG fan you get a little acclimated to it after a while), so I'll keep my whinning and violent gesturing to a minnimum for now, I just want to show my support for the article and add some encouragement to see more.

You mean that space of a few years between editions? Delay indeed.

I do agree that the Dungeoncraft article was probably the best article to come out of the Dungeon title. It is articles like this that will make me want to look at the DDI content as well.
Woo, finally, new Dungeoncraft.

This one didn't seem to peek my intrest to the same degree as the last, but I still enjoyed it. Some good advice for sure. And I love seeing how other people go about creating a campaign.

But I don't think I can take another wait like the last between articles though, it really kills the enthusiasm (It might not matter, if it takes that long again for the next article subscription fees will likely have been put into effect....). But I do understand the holiday delay, and can certainly make an allowance for art delays as well.

But negativity aside, Dungeoncraft is still my favorite Dengeon Article, you're doing a great job James Wyatt, and thats a very nice pair of maps Christopher West; I look forward to seeing future articles.

You mean that space of a few years between editions? Delay indeed.

LOL. Indeed, but just a slight delay. :P
He who should not speak...
Woot ! Dungeoncraft ! And only 4 months after the first article.

What's sad is I actually feel relieved that something was actually done. I was actually becoming embaressed on WotC's behalf.
I almost did a spit-take when I looked online today and saw the long-awaited Dungeoncraft 2. I'll agree with the previous poster that this article wasn't *as* interesting as the first one for me. But that's because when DC1 came out, we had spotty rumors about 4E at best. Suddenly here were all these ideas..."points of light", eladrin vs. elves, feywild, monsters in the MM being playable as PCs...all being put forth at once. That article was so exciting, I pulled out a notebook and started making my own 4E campaign.

Now it's a few months later...there's lots of news about 4E. I'm still excited, but the great unknown is becoming slowly known. Now the advice is just getting to be good, solid advice...not as filled with thrilling revelations, but quite enjoyable none-the-less.

Looking forward to the next installment. Here's hoping it'll be a *little* sooner, rather than later.

- Andy
I almost did a spit-take when I looked online today and saw the long-awaited Dungeoncraft 2. I'll agree with the previous poster that this article wasn't *as* interesting as the first one for me. But that's because when DC1 came out, we had spotty rumors about 4E at best. Suddenly here were all these ideas..."points of light", eladrin vs. elves, feywild, monsters in the MM being playable as PCs...all being put forth at once. That article was so exciting, I pulled out a notebook and started making my own 4E campaign.

Now it's a few months later...there's lots of news about 4E. I'm still excited, but the great unknown is becoming slowly known. Now the advice is just getting to be good, solid advice...not as filled with thrilling revelations, but quite enjoyable none-the-less.

Looking forward to the next installment. Here's hoping it'll be a *little* sooner, rather than later.

- Andy

Hear, Hear!! Well said! Thats pretty much my own feelings, only expressed better.

That article was so exciting, I pulled out a notebook and started making my own 4E campaign.

I SO had the same urges when the first Dungeoncraft came out and this is exactly why its my favorite to date. It painted such vivid, and inspiring pictures, I was quite caught up in the moment, and waited with bated breath for the next article... (for a couple of months anyway ;))

Heres to next one, may it come on swift wings!
He who should not speak...
Heres to next one, may it come on swift wings!

Given past performance, I'd bet on next one coming in May. That would improve it by over a month!
Given past performance, I'd bet on next one coming in May. That would improve it by over a month!

I am feeling lucky so I am putting the under at April 23. Place your bets now, ladies and gentlemen.
I am feeling lucky so I am putting the under at April 23. Place your bets now, ladies and gentlemen.

Being a hopeless optomist, I put two cookies down on April 16
He who should not speak...
Dungeoncraft for my Birthday, here's hoping for Apr 17.
I was pretty impressed by the 2nd article, and I love that it's targeted right at one of my weak points- designing an adventure from scatch.

If I were going to use the hooks James Wyatt outlined for Greenbriar, I'd probably go with a combination of 2 and 3. Have the adventurers doing a rite of passage when the priest shows up to do the ancient rite. The priest needs the young'uns to escort him through the chasm. The NPC provides some healing (which may not be necessary the way 4e looks) and a little guidance ("stick to the path youngster, we don't have all night!").
"Man is made God's plaything, and that is the best part of him. Therefore every man and woman should live life accordingly, and play the noblest games... Life must be lived as play, playing certain games, making sacrifices, singing and dancing..." Plato, The Laws.
Hi, All

I really hate to bump this thread, but I'm actually waiting for episode 4... ;)

Cheers
Graham
Hi, All

I really hate to bump this thread, but I'm actually waiting for episode 4... ;)

Cheers
Graham

there were no articles to be found in the table of contents for dungeon. while i really hope this is an oversight, i think i am a little too old for wishful thinking.
there were no articles to be found in the table of contents for dungeon. while i really hope this is an oversight, i think i am a little too old for wishful thinking.

Hey be glad there even exists a ToC, this is a start.
Plans are always subject to change.
Dungeoncraft Episode 4 is Now Available
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dudc/20080627a



Looks like it will only appear in even months...:P
Dungeoncraft Episode 4 is Now Available
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dudc/20080627a



Looks like it will only appear in even months...:P

what would rock is some sort of way to organize all the articles and adventures that appeared in dungeon. some sort of table of contents that told us what we could expect.

all that aside, if they are going to make a table of contents for the thing, why do a job only half way? i know it's a bit early to be pulling this drum out and banging on it, but is this what we can expect with the organization of the magazines under insider?