Wow the books haven't even hit the shelf yet and already people are wondering about 4.5....
I could of sworn I heard that there won't be a need for a 4.5....
because of the online resources they can make the changes as needed...and if I remember one of the 4th Ed interviews from Gen Con 2007...one of the Designers even said that there won't be a revised edition of 4th...
of course I could of imagined it...I mean the Gamer Zero Podcasts could of been product of my imagination and everybody is playing along with me and with my Delusions..:coolcthul
Just something I thought I'd point out (or concur with, as others have mentioned it):
Othe other hand, 3.5e was a partial replacement of 3.0e. It is partially backward compatible, but in many cases requires the refactoring of existing PCs, NPCs and monsters. This was not a rule supplement, it was a rule replacement. You could not have a 3.0 ranger and a 3.5 ranger in the same game. The "name" 3.5 was chosen because a) it was too early for 4e and b) it was only a partial replacement of the rules (a lot of things did not change, just enough to warrant a new set of books).
That's two different kinds of crunch: add-ons and replacements.
Some suggest that if this kind of rule replacement ever becomes necessary before the market is ready for 5e, that it could (or should) be done via the release of PHB2+, DMG2+, or worse, DDI.
Stop, and think for a moment about the kind of unmanageable mess that would create. You would have current and obsolete tidbits of rules spread around your entire D&D library.
...How's that gonna work if the rule replacements are arbitrarily spread over time and many books AND online?
A few rule replacement and revisions along the way is fine, but there is a point where it risks turning the rules into an unmanageable bloated morass. I wish the yearly core books will contain add-ons, but as few as possible replacements.
I did not jump with joy when 3.5e was announced and released. But I understood the rationale, and I agreed that it was the most convenient way to do it for everyone involved. New sales for WotC, and for us, better rules and organization.I hope 4.5e is not needed, but if it is, I hope they do it as they did with 3.5e. As for a release date, if it happens, summer 2011 would be my guess. Past that time, it will be an indication that the core of 4e is not broken enough to justify it, and the next overhaul will be 5e, by 2016.
Well, "Will there be a 4.5e?" is just one of those questions that will always get you the same answer: "No".
Saying "Yes" would scuttle 4e and "No comments", or avoiding the question altogether, would be just as bad.
If WotC does not publish it, then their answer is true, obviously.
On the other hand, if they plan to do so, if they keep the option open, they just can't answer truthfully now can they? I wouldn't.
Either way you get the same answer, thus it is really no answer at all.
I'm not saying they are lying, but if they are, I'm not blaming them. They just don't have a choice.
This doesn't bother me at all; I'd rather see four years of quality products capped by a Revised 4E than ten years of bloated, poorly-balanced, poorly-written, and poorly-edited splat.
I don't think that's necessarily true. I'd still buy the 4th edition core books even if they said "Yes" to "Will there be a 4.5?" Maybe I'm just completely insane, but I think $60-$70 is a pretty fair price for a solid year or two of fun. I spend more than that on books, movies, CDs, and video games that last for much less time. I think there are a whole lot of people out there who feel the same way; most of them don't post here on the boards though. They're the "casual" consumers and "impulse" buyers and "people who pick up a PHB because one of their friends is starting a game".
I guess it's different if you're one of those people who feels they have to buy every single book that comes out for the RPG's you play. I'm not sure what to say to those people except that maybe you should step back, and realize that you have free will. You can choose to buy only the books that you want, not the books you feel like you "need to have". I played and DM'd 2e, 3e and 3.5e since they were all released, and I only had the core books plus three or four extras. The other players would buy extra books occasionally if it seemed like something they really wanted. And there is still a ton of material that I never used. There are quite a few monsters in the original MM that I never threw at them; there are a few hundred plot hooks in the original Eberron Campaign Setting that never saw the light of day; and probably fifty prestige classes that have never been used. The web is full of completely free material you can use as well. And if all else fails, you can write your own.
Call me a cynic, but I would not be suprised if 4.5 is already gathering dust in the WotC vaults, why they work on 5th ed. (You know that intel are already working on pentiumVII, didn't you?)
Stick to the edition you like to play in your group, and let the fat cats be.
We were playing the first 4th ed mini encounter in my group last week, when I mentioned a rule and my mate says..'err.. your talking about THAC0'.. yeh.. I'm still living in the past.. but hey, that was my favorite ed.
3.5 was not an anomaly. We had Skills & Powers in 2E (2.5E) and Unearthed Arcana in 1E (1.5E). Each was slightly different in its presentation, but they had a huge impact on the game at the time they came out. These weren't just splatbooks, they had some fundamental changes to the game (Cantrips, 0-level characters, reordered and expanded classes and revised demi-human class level limits for Unearthed Arcana).
Royal prediction: no 4.5, but 5e sometime between 6 and 9 years from now, probably closer to the 6 end.
You know, on the other side of this whole "new editions coming too soon" dilemma, I can think of quite a few great RPGs, all of which are far younger than D&D, that have gone through anywhere between 3-6 editions since their inceptions in the 80s and 90s.
The real and legit complaint is that 4e requires you to keep track of where everybody is.
While minis are the easiest and most attractive way of doing it, they are not the only way.
Back on topic, don't think there will be a 4.5 at all. Like another poster said, it will be PH2, DMG2, etc with DDI filling in the void until 5E.
That means nothing, because those same designers also fervently denied a 4th edition, and look where we are now.
Online resources won't change the text printed in books, they'd have to print new books for that. Plus, these are also the same designers who fervently denied there would be a 4th edition, take their word with a grain of salt.
People MAY HAVE denied that 4th edition was in production, but that's entirely different from saying it wouldn't ever come out.
People MAY deny that a future edition of D&D is in production, but that's entirely different from saying it won't ever come out.
12/20/2012 - Guess what day it is
Never. There's no need because the rules can be updated at any time via the DDI.
So the DDI is required then. ;)