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ALERT:  This is an old thread about 3.5e errata.  Don't be confused!

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If we can keep errata for a single book consolidated into a single thread (and keep that thread on-topic as much as possible), it makes it much easier to collect the data. Page references and specifics are also helpful. We don't consider typos and other errors that don't significantly affect gameplay to be errata-worthy.


The notion of errata coming back has me all aquiver. To help the WotC folks out, I thought a thread pointing to errata threads for all the recent books would be useful. (And it might be useful for all of us in the mean time.) I found several, but if you have more, let me know and I'll add them:

Dungeons and Dragons

Barrow of the Forgotten King
Complete Champion
Cityscape
Complete Mage
Complete Psionic, again
Complete Scoundrel
Cormyr: Tearing of the Weave
Dragon Magic
Dragonmarked
Drow of the Underdark, again, WotC page
Dungeonscape
Expedition to Castle Ravenloft
Expedition to the Demonweb Pits, WotC page
Faiths of Eberron
Fiendish Codex I
Fiendish Codex II
Hellspike
Heroes of Horror
Monster Manual IV
Power of Faerun
Races of the Wild
Red Hand of Doom
Sandstorm
Secrets of Sarlona
Stormwrack
Tome of Battle, again

d20

d20 Future
d20 Modern
Urban Arcana


Here's some books I know we're missing:
DMG II
Champions of Valor
Magic of Incarnum
Weapons of Legacy
Lords of Madness
Races of the Dragon
Races of Destiny
Races of Stone
I've also been involved in errata threads for Sandstorm, Complete Psionic, Tome of Battle, Dragon Magic, Faiths of Eberron, and Cityscape, but I don't know how to search the Future Releases section to find the threads (many of them were from before the boards were updated).

I do have the compiled lists that I e-mailed to WotC customer service. Should I just dump them all here?
The Sandstorm thread

The Dragon Magic thread

The Faiths of Eberron thread

The Cityscape thread

I couldn't find the others; maybe you can remember some piece of text to help with the search. To find these on Google, I used the following text in the search box, including any quotes you see:

site:boards1.wizards.com essex "future releases" "cityscape" errata
Cheers!
John Ling Freelance Writer/Editor PM for availability VCL for General Gaming and play-by-post groups
Here is my cumulative info from the other two books. Some of my errata in the various threads is out of date (ie. I've learned that some things which I once thought were errors were not) but I'm a bit too busy at the moment to errata my errata.

COMPLETE PSIONIC
> Chapter 1:
>
> pg. 6 The Ardent information on Table 1-2 doesn't provide a Maximum Power
> Level Known column.
>
> pg. 6 The Ardent's class skill list contains the entry "Knowledge" but does
> not specify what knowledge skill or skills is on the list.
>
> pg. 9 The Divine Mind Class Features text indicates that the class receives
> no power points until 5th level; an assertion which is contradicted by Table
> 1-3.
>
> pg. 9 The last line of the first paragraph of the Powers Known section is
> unclear and seems to contradict table 1-3.
>
> pg. 10 The Divine Mind's Mantle ability is listed as Extraordinary when it
> should almost certainly be considered Supernatural.
>
> pg. 11 Kelemvor gets the Death Mantle but should probably have gotten the
> Repose Mantle instead.
>
> pg. 12 The Time Mantle's bonuses don't increase over time as do the bonuses
> of similar mantles.
>
> pg. 13 The Half-Giant Divine Mind starting package lists Weapon Focus
> (longsword) as the character's feat. The character lacks the BAB necessary
> to take the feat.
>
> pg. 14 The Lurk's Lurk Augment ability is listed as Extraordinary when it
> should probably be considered Supernatural.
>
> pg. 14-16 Several Lurk Augments provide saving throws equal to 10+Int
> modifier. Shouldn't the DC also include a bonus equal to either Lurk level
> or 1/2 Lurk level?
>
> pg. 15 Table 1-6 lists a Lurk Aurment named Reach Attack yet there is no
> listed augment with that name.
>
> pg. 15 The Mental Assault Lurk Augment seems overpowered as written. I
> believe that ir should offer a saving throw to resist the effect.
>
> Chapter 2:
>
> pg. 18 The Anarchic Initiate, a prestige class designed primarily for
> Wilders, requires 8 ranks of Knowledge (planes) to enter despite the fact
> that Knowledge (planes) is not a class skill for Wilders.
>
> pg. 21 The sample character could not have met the Knowledge (planes)
> prerequisite for the prestige class by 7th level.
>
> pg. 26 The Ectopic Adept needs Skill Focus (Craft [sculpting]) as a
> prerequisite but doesn't seem to require any ranks in Craft (sculpting).
>
> pg. 29 Giles Stoneforged should have two of his Psionic feats noted as bonus
> feats from his Shaper levels (the two bonus feats from his Ectopic Adept
> levels are already indicated). He is also missing 1 feat.
>
> pg. 30 The text indicates that Alliyon Dak'aris is an 8th level Ectopic
> Adept. The class only has 5 levels.
>
> pg. 30 The "Becoming A Flayerspawn Psychic" section states that only Psions
> and Erudites can enter the class but this isn't supported by the entry
> requirements.
>
> pg. 30 The Flayerspawn Psychic can use a Mind Blast by channeling power
> points. How many power points are needed?
>
> pg. 31 The top of the second column mentions a feat named Illithid Speech.
> This feat is not in the book.
>
> pg. 36 The 6th paragraph of the Mind Arrow entry seems to state that the
> enhancement bonus on the Mind Arrows somehow increases a character's Base
> Attack Bonus.
>
> pg. 36 The Mind Arrow entry states "Powers or spells that upgrade weapons
> can be used on a mind blade." While actually true, in this instance the
> words 'mind blade' should obviously be replaced with 'mind arrow.'
>
> pg. 37 The Soulbow's Mind Arrow Enhancement choices includes Returning. This
> weapon enhancement seems useless for a class that summons it's weapons as a
> free action.
>
> pg. 39 Two more of Nathra Teng's feats should be listed as bonus feats (one
> from race and one from her prestige class).
>
> pg. 42 One of Dante's feats should be labeled as his human bonus feat.
>
> pg. 43 The powers known text states that a new power is learned at every
> level. The table on the same page disagrees.
>
> Chapter 3:
>
> pg. 51-52 Many of the Ectopic Forms seem likely to gain a stability bonus
> for having extra legs or a generally horizontal form yet there is no mention
> of this in the feats.
>
> pg. 52-53 Elemental Envoys don't gain additional HD as you increase in
> level. This renders them very likely to die in higher level campaigns. Does
> this have negative effects on your character? Does your character get a new
> one after the old one dies?
>
> pg. 53-54 Euphoric Reduction states that it grants a "boost for one of your
> skills" but actually grants damage resistance.
>
> pg. 57 Practiced Manifester does not explicitly indicate if it provides an
> increase to manifester level for the purpose of bonus power points.
>
> pg. 57 Skin of the Construct lasts for the normal duration of the Astral
> Construct power (a matter of rounds) yet the temporary hit points last for
> an entire hour.
>
> pg. 59 Xeph Burst, Extra indicates that you can use your racial ability one
> time per day without the feat and three times with the feat. Xephs can
> actually use the ability three times without any feat.
>
>
> pg. 61 Illithid Heritage feats seem to presume that one of your ancestors
> was an Illithid. I was unaware that llithids could reproduce in the normal
> manner.
>
> pg. 61 Illithid Blast states that you must channel power points to use it.
> How many points are needed?
>
> pg. 62 The Ilithid Heritage feat can apparently be taken by such creatures
> as Warforged and Illithids.
>
> pg. 63 The Metapower feat is written so poorly as to be virtually
> incomprehensible.
>
> Chapter 4:
>
> pg. 70 The Life Mantle's third level power (Body Purification) states that
> it heals 1d12 points of damage. That is actually the effect of the Body
> Adjustment power. The Body Purification power heals 2 points of ability
> damage.
>
> pg. 74 Energy Wave's base damage is listed as 13d4 while the XPH power entry
> lists it as 13d6.
>
> pg. 80-81 Chaos Fissure does not indicate the level of the Wild Surge effect
> generated or how the Enervation aspect of the power would effect
> non-Wilders.
>
> pg. 81 Either the Claws of Darkness damage table is wrong or the power
> description is.
>
> pg. 82 Deaden Blow lists a power cost of 3 despite being a first level
> power.
>
> pg. 84 The Ectoplasmic Swarm power has no maximum duration.
>
> pg. 85 When using Empower Weapon, you expend the points for that power and
> for the power that you are placing into the weapon at the same time. Isn't
> this likely to surpass the maximum power points that you can expend at once
> as a result of your manifester level?
>
> pg. 85 Energy Arc has a listed saving throw of "Reflex half (object)". Does
> this mean that only objects get saving throws against the power?
>
> pg. 86 Energy Barrage offers no power resistance.
>
> pg. 86-87 Energy Emanation's augment increases the saving throw's DC yet the
> power offers no saving throw.
>
> pg 92 The Mental Turmoil power indicates that it is a 3rd level power for
> the Pain and Suffering Mantle yet on pg. 71 the Pain and Suffering Mantle
> entry does not include Mental Turmoil.
>
> pg. 94 The Planar Embrace power should have two different power point costs
> because the classes that grant it do so at different levels.
>
> pg. 94 The first bulleted point for Planar Embrace uses a 13th level Psion
> as an example. The example character is too low in level to use the power.
>
> pg. 95 Primal Fear does not include the [Fear] descriptor.
>
> pg. 97 An augmented Psychoportive Shelter can hold extra creatures of any
> size yet the entrance to the shelter is small enough that many larger
> creatures cannot enter. The power should probably limit the size of the
> extra creatures.
>
> pg. 97 Rage of the Remorhaz's augment increases the saving throw's DC yet
> the power offers no saving throw
>
> pg. 102 The Stygian Touch power's augment lets the negative levels last for
> 24 hours. Does this mean that there's a chance for permanent level loss?
>
> pg. 103 Shouldn't Suggestion, Implanted note that Detect Psionics can also
> detect the presence of the power?
>
> pg. 104 The Urge Extermination augment's example should use the number 2
> instead of 20.
>
> pg. 106 When wielding an Ethereal Reaver what happens if somebody built a
> wall on the Ethereal Plane that doesn't exist on the material plane?
>
> pg. 110 The Skin of Ectoplasmic Armor costs 3,000 gp but takes 15 days to
> make. Is the gp (& xp) cost wrong or is the time to create wrong?
>
> pg. 115 The Sandals of Springing grant a +15 bonus to jump checks yet only
> cost 6000 gp.
>
> pg. 118 Can a character benefit from both location effects or only one?
>
> Chapter 5:
>
> pg. 120-121 The Base Atk lines for all of the Astral Constructs is
> incorrect.
>
> pg. 125 The Heavy Deflection entry in the first column mentions astral
> aquans when it should refer to anathemic carapaces.
>
> pg. 129 Shouldn't the Ectoplasmic Swarm's Improved Initiative feat be
> considered a bonus feat?
>
> pg. 129 The Ectoplasmic Swarm's entry indicate that they feed and reproduce
> despite the fact that they're from the astral plane, a place where time does
> not pass (thereby preventing biological drives such as hunger). Also, due to
> the timeless trait of the plane, creatures that lack healing powers can
> never recover lost hit points.
>
> pg. 130-132 The Arctine, Geodite and Tempestan speeds listed as squares do
> not match their speeds listed in feet.
>
> pg. 130-132 The Arctine, Emberling, Geodite and Tempestan have 1d4 slam
> attacks despite having the Improved Natural Attack feat as a bonus feat.
>
> pg. 134 The Shadow Eft's flat-footed AC is higher than it's standard AC.
>
> pg. 135 There is an error in the Sibyllic Guardian's color scheme. The eyes
> in the picture are red while the text mentions blue, while the Glyphs are
> blue when the text indicates red.
>
> Chapter 6:
>
> pg. 140 There are no age, weight, height or other similar tables for the
> Synad PC race.
>
> pg. 149 The Thri-Kreen should actually receive starting skill points equal
> to 4x(2+Int modifier).
>
> pg. 155 The section on learning new powers states that the Erudite must pay
> "20 XP per erudite level." This should probably have been "per power level,"
> since otherwise it costs more for a 10th level erudite to learn a 1st level
> power than it does for a 1st level erudite.
>
> pg. 156 The sample Erudite starting package should have 2 (instead of 3)
> powers known before adding the Intelligence bonus.
>
> pg. 156 The Epic Divine Mind doesn't doesn't have any Bonus feat progression
> listed.




Tome of Battle Errata:
The Human Crusader, Swordsage and Warblade starting packages (pages 12, 18, & 24) don't seem to take into account the bonus skill points that humans start with.

Miros Xavt (page 14) appears to be short 4 skill points.

The Swordsage's skill multiplier is listed as x6 instead of x4.

Crimson Mask (page 20) has 3 skill points too many. The writer appears to have given him a +2 racial bonus to Listen, Spot, and Search instead of a +1 bonus. Crimson Mask also has a longbow despite the fact that Swordsages are only proficient with Martial Melee Weapons and half-elves don't gain proficiency with the bow in the same manner as full-blooded elves.

Vardalak Axebearer (page 26) appears to be short 2 skill points and is missing the extra language that he gets for a high intelligence.He also has a 3rd level stance for which he fails to meet the level prerequisite.

Page 39, Table 3-1. The third from last line should read 13th-14th instead of 13th-4th.

Page 52's Burning Blade maneuver has no damage cap despite being a first level maneuver. I am unsure if this is an oversight or if it is actually meant to have no limit, but it seems unusual for a first level ability to allow theoretically unlimited damage. To contrast this, the first level Devoted Spirit maneuver Crusader's Strike has a maximum +5 bonus to it's effect.

Page 53 - The Firesnake maneuver's duration is listed as Instantaneous but the text portion states "A firesnake starts in an adjacent square. It can move up to 60 feet EACH ROUND. It can move out of your line of sight or line of effect, but you gain no special knowledge of the areas it moves into." The entry goes on to state that a creature can only be harmed by a firesnake once PER ROUND and that it only takes damage the first time the snake touches it. How does an effect with an instantaneous duration continue to move (and cause damage) each round?

Page 55 - Inferno Blast has a reflex save for half damage but provides no DC.

Page 56 - Why does Searing Blade require a standard action when the previous and next maneuvers in the chain (Burning Blade and Inferno Blade) require a swift action.

Page 57 - The first four entries should probably have alignment prerequisites.

The Shadow Blade Technique (p. 78) should probably have the [Cold] descriptor just as Burning Blade (p. 52) has the [Fire] descriptor.

Page 88's Leaping Dragon stance gives a 10 ft. enhancement to jump checks. Does this mean that your jump checks are made as if your speed were 10 feet greater, that you jump an extra 10 feet in distance every time you make a jump check, or that the word 'ft.' is in error and that the stance is actually supposed to grant a +4 bonus to the skill check?

Does page 88's Prey on the Weak maneuver use up one of your Attacks of Opportunity for the round?

Page 92's Leading the Charge also doesn't put a max cap on the damage dealt despite the fact that it is a first level stance.
Page 92'a Lion's Roar only works when you reduce your opponent to fewer than 0 hp. Does this mean that it doesn't work when facing undead and constructs, as these beings are destroyed at 0 hp and thus can never technically go below 0?

Page 97's Bloodclaw Master prestige class grants low-light vision but doesn't indicate what happens if you already have low-light vision. Same thing with scent. It also indicates that Shifter Bloodclaw Masters are treated as having the razorclaw trait when considering prerequisites for feats despite the fact that Shifters simply gain extra uses of their regular shifting ability rather than the temporary claws that normal members of this prestige class get. Thus Shifter feats such as Great Rend or Shifter Multiattack that depend on the claw attacks provided by the razorclaw trait are useless.

Page 99 - Rhaskana
Speed should be reduced to 20 because of armor (unless the character is in a Tiger Claw stance and uses the Tiger Claw Synergy prestige class ability to boost his speed). Since the claw attack option can only be used while shifting the attack modifier should be +11 (instead of +10) and the damage modifier should be +6 (instead of +2; which would have been wrong even if the strength bonus to damage had been added). The attack option Blood Meditation should be Blade Meditation. Mobility is not noted as an AC modifier on the AC line (it was actually noted on the line for a later example character).

Page 104 - Varand
The character's HD are listed as 14 instead of 15. The character is missing 1 hp (Assuming that the character took Warblade at first level instead of Fighter. If a level of Fighter was taken first then the hp are fine. Since taking Warblade first causes the skill block to make sense we'll assume that this is the case). The possessions line of text indicates that the character has a +1 Dwarven Waraxe while the attack line indicates that it is a +2 Dwarven Waraxe. This character's skill block lacks the dwarven racial bonuses.

Page 108 - Karthak
The character's Keen Greataxe should have a threat range of 19-20. This character's skill block is incorrect. The character should have 16 skill points (26 for Fighter, 6 for Deepstone Sentinel, and -16 from intelligence). Taking the character's total skill modifier (10), and figuring in his armor check penalty (-5) gives a result of 15 points. The character is one skill point short. The character also lacks the dwarven racial bonuses to skills.

Page 113 - Aedor
The stat block list the character's disciplines as including Desert Wind, Stone Dragon and Tiger Claw despite the fact that the character doesn't seem to have taken maneuvers in any of them and despite the fact that the prestige class doesn't grant access to them. This character's skill block is incorrect. Although Concentration became a class skill for the character because of the Martial Study (Diamond Mind) feat Diplomacy remains a cross-class skill because the character didn't take the Martial Study (White Raven) feat.The character is also missing the elf racial bonuses to Listen, Search, and Spot checks.

Page 118 - Kuthar
The character's IL should be 8 instead of 7 (rounding down the wizard level). The character is missing the two bonus feats gained from Wizard levels.

Page 121 - Vaunred
The character could not have met the feat prereqisite for his prestige class at the level it was taken. The character's Improved Unarmed Strike feat should not grant him d6 damage dice with unarmed attacks. That is a special ability of the Monk class. The Listen modifier of +3 at the top of the entry doesn't match the modifier of +8 in the skills entry. The character is missing 1 stance, has 3 maneuvers too many, and has 2 readied maneuvers too many. This character's skill block is incorrect. The character should have 91 skill points (60 for Swordsage, 18 for Master of Nine, and 13 from being human). Taking the character's total skill modifiers (119), and accounting for their ability modifiers to skills (19), synergy modifiers (8), and an armor check penalty to skills (-4) you gain a total of 96 points. If we assume that the Listen modifier should be +3 instead of +8 (as noted at the top of the entry block) they the skill block will be correct.

Page 125 - Ereth
The character is listed as being a follower of St. Cuthbert (including having access to St. Cuthbert's domains) despite being a member of a prestige class that requires you to worship Wee Jas. The character's hp are too low (they apparently gave the Crusader levels d8's instead of d10's). This character's skill block is incorrect. The character should have 64 skill points (28 for Crusader, 2 for Cleric, 12 from Ruby Knight Vindicator, 11 from intelligence, and 11 from being human). Taking the character's total skill modifiers (64), and accounting for their ability modifiers to skills (12), the bonus from the Blade Meditation feat (2), speed penalty to Jump checks (-6), and an armor check penalty to skills (-10) you gain a total of 66 points.

Page 130 - Doomveil
The character should be gaining 8 stunning fist uses per day instead of 6 (the prestige class specifically notes that its levels count as monk levels for this purpose). This character's skill block is also incorrect. The character isn't gaining the synergy bonus to Diplomacy that their ranks in Sense Motive should grant.

Page 124 - Table 6-1 is missing the fort save penalty entry at 9th level (the entry on the chart is totally blank).

Page 135 - The Faithful Avenger should be noted as granting either Detect Evil or Detect Good.

Page 140 - Table 6-5 indicates that the blade improves to a +3 Defending Mithril Short Sword at both levels 16 and 18.

Page 144 - Tiger Fang's Frenzied Charge ability doesn't indicate if the second attack is made at your full attack bonus or if it is at a -5 penalty. Table 6-8 also seems to indicate that the weapon never improves beyond being a +1 keen weapon. Is this correct?

Page 149 - The Crown of Ravens item doesn't indicate how maneuvers that it grants are recovered.

Page 151 - The Rakshasa's greatsword should list a 19-20 critical range.

Page 153 - The ecology of the Naityan Rakshasa section indicates that it doesn't need to eat. As a native outsider it actually does need to eat.

Page 157 - The Valkyrie's slam attacks are off. Natural attacks are normally covered by the Weapon Finesse feat but are not affected by two-weapon fighting penalties. Thus the attacks should be 3 points higher than listed.
Cool, I updated the OP.

Here's some books that aren't yet included. Anyone recall an errata thread for them?
DMG II
Magic Item Compendium
Champions of Valor
Magic of Incarnum
Weapons of Legacy
Lords of Madness
Races of the Dragon
Races of Destiny
Races of the Wild
Races of Stone
I don't recall a races of the dragon errata thread, but I have found a piece you might want to add for it.

pg100: Dragonqrought Kobolds are granted darkvision 60, the same ability granted to all kobolds anyway.
Next to this thread there also used to be "The 3.5 (potential) errata thread". It's in the archive now, after it was unstickied some months ago. I've added a lot of Races of the Wild potential errata there.

There are probably more errata threads in the archive. I'll see if I can dig them out.

Edit: Found some (didn't check for doubles):
Libris Mortis Errata thread
Frostburn Errata thread
Complete Arcane Errata thread
Warlock errata by Rich Baker
Stormwrack errata
Heroes of Horror errata
Hellspike errata
Monster Manual IV errata
Tome of Magic errata
Fiendish Codex I errata
Tome of battle errata
Dragon Magic errata
Faiths of Eberron errata
PHB II errata
Complete Psionic
Powers of Faerun errata

I also clearly remember a Spells Compendium and several Races of X errata threads, but I am unable to find them anymore.
Spell Compendium

5e should strongly stay away from "I don't like it, so you can't have it either."

 

I once asked the question (in D&D 3.5) "Does a Druid4/Wizard3/ArcaneHierophant1 have Wildshape?". Jesse Decker and Andy Collins: Yes and the text is clear and can't be interpreted differently. Rich Redman and Ed Stark: No and the text is clear and can't be interpreted differently. Skip Williams: Lol, it's worded ambiguously and entirely not how I intended it. (Cust. Serv. Reference# 050815-000323)

That's great RogerWilco, thanks!
This thread is a great idea
Keep up the good work folks !
And is there no errata for complete adventurer ?
This thread is a great idea
Keep up the good work folks !
And is there no errata for complete adventurer ?

There's an official one, or do you mean beyond that?
You can talk to me, but I won't promise to be nice.
Hey, don't pick on a guy for helping out.
I wasn't "picking on" anyone. I was simply pointing out a fact.
You can talk to me, but I won't promise to be nice.
Okay. Sorry then.
Here's the link to my Barrow of the Forgotten King errata thread:

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=804535

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Swanky!
I think the Simbul has done revised stats of the horrors that were the evil NPCs in champions of ruin.
Are you thinking about this thread? There's some stuff in there, but it seems a little too spread out to be useful. I guess there's this one too, but it seems like a similar problem.
A few of these already have official errata.

I knew that, but I was unsure to what extent the official errata and the threads I posted overlapped, as I've not read all posts in each of them. As this thread is a resource for finding community created errata lists, I thought it advantageous to put links to any errata thread I could fine, not only those that do not have an official errata yet.

I basically went though the entire archive on Future releases and General and put a link in for every thread I found that at least contained a valid amount of usefull errata.

It would be up to anyone inside WotC working on errata to compare the issues in the lists in this thread with those known internally and published.

Just for the record, I am planning on compiling a list of known errata for Races of the Wild. Most of those I know are already in the generic errata thread I posted above, but it's my personal gripe and I'll put my time where my mouth is, to make it as easy as possible on the WotC folks to put out an errata. This however will take some time, so probably needs a quiet weekend end of may/early june.

5e should strongly stay away from "I don't like it, so you can't have it either."

 

I once asked the question (in D&D 3.5) "Does a Druid4/Wizard3/ArcaneHierophant1 have Wildshape?". Jesse Decker and Andy Collins: Yes and the text is clear and can't be interpreted differently. Rich Redman and Ed Stark: No and the text is clear and can't be interpreted differently. Skip Williams: Lol, it's worded ambiguously and entirely not how I intended it. (Cust. Serv. Reference# 050815-000323)

So we should get an errata thread going for Complete Champion... I'd be happy to but I don't have the book Anyone else interested?
Since this is the errata metathread...I thought I'd toss out the following:

unoffical d20 Modern Errata.
Draft Errata and FAQ
Draft d20 Future Errata

all of the above is sadly unoffical

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Well, this being the dnd forum, I don't know if we should make it overly general. Maybe it would make more sense to start an errata metathread on the d20 modern forum?
Well, this being the dnd forum, I don't know if we should make it overly general. Maybe it would make more sense to start an errata metathread on the d20 modern forum?

I would keep it here, having one big "meta" thread, is exactly the reason you started this, right?

5e should strongly stay away from "I don't like it, so you can't have it either."

 

I once asked the question (in D&D 3.5) "Does a Druid4/Wizard3/ArcaneHierophant1 have Wildshape?". Jesse Decker and Andy Collins: Yes and the text is clear and can't be interpreted differently. Rich Redman and Ed Stark: No and the text is clear and can't be interpreted differently. Skip Williams: Lol, it's worded ambiguously and entirely not how I intended it. (Cust. Serv. Reference# 050815-000323)

I wonder if any of the nice folks at WotC have any comments about when new errata might be expected?
I wonder if any of the nice folks at WotC have any comments about when new errata might be expected?

We're still waiting for some more feedback on our current books. Since this is a new way of doing the process, we're still figuring it out. We're very close to establishing our errata criteria so the process will be faster in the future. If you have any suggestions for good errata criteria, send me a PM (or make a new thread if you want to discuss it here; I don't want to derail this one).

"Errata criteria" should be what you think constitutes a significant error. We want the errata documents to be useful and significant. Listing every single error means errata will be less useful and will feel like a waste of time to anyone reading it. So what are the kinds of errors that really irk you and significantly impact your game?
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We're still waiting for some more feedback on our current books. Since this is a new way of doing the process, we're still figuring it out. We're very close to establishing our errata criteria so the process will be faster in the future. If you have any suggestions for good errata criteria, send me a PM (or make a new thread if you want to discuss it here; I don't want to derail this one).

"Errata criteria" should be what you think constitutes a significant error. We want the errata documents to be useful and significant. Listing every single error means errata will be less useful and will feel like a waste of time to anyone reading it. So what are the kinds of errors that really irk you and significantly impact your game?

I have a question is the new round errata only limited to the D&D line or will it also extened to the other RPG lines?

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I have a question is the new round errata only limited to the D&D line or will it also extened to the other RPG lines?

We're starting with new releases, and going back to older books is only an option if we have time for it. As far as including errata on any new books for other lines (I wonder which one you're referring to ;)), that's TBD. With Star Wars Saga Edition releasing, we'll need to figure that out.
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We're starting with new releases, and going back to older books is only an option if we have time for it. As far as including errata on any new books for other lines (I wonder which one you're referring to ;)), that's TBD. With Star Wars Saga Edition releasing, we'll need to figure that out.

I understand starting with new products first but I'd strongly urge WOTC to find the time, or devote the resources, to releasing errata for older books too, at least the ones that don't have any. There's a huge gap in errata releases and a lot of those books need errata.

I know personally it would go a long way toward restoring some of the faith I've lost in WOTC. As it is it feels like the mentality is that the company can just turn out anything and we'll gladly lap it up. There's been a really noticeable decrease in the quality of the releases, I'd like to see an upturn in the quality of the new stuff as well as errata for the existing stuff.
I understand starting with new products first but I'd strongly urge WOTC to find the time, or devote the resources, to releasing errata for older books too, at least the ones that don't have any. There's a huge gap in errata releases and a lot of those books need errata.

We're well aware that people want errata for releases we've missed. However, the best way to avoid another huge gap is to go forward with our new books and pick up the others if we can.
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Dragons of Faerun desperately needs errata and evidently has no errata thread. Here's a good place to start.
We're well aware that people want errata for releases we've missed. However, the best way to avoid another huge gap is to go forward with our new books and pick up the others if we can.

I'm sorry? this is really confusing me, with the amount of player compiled errata on this web sight it would seem to be reasonably easy to put to gather the errata for older books. you might have to push off the more complex questions and answerers with a statement like "we are studding this issue and how best to resolve it. " but most of the problems are readily answered. If your having to have mutable meetings to decide if a Duskblade was meant to have simple weapon proficiency than you are doing some thing vary wrong.
So put out a memo that says that and the 90% of the other problems that can be answered with out any difficulty. then send it to the relevant people in R&D etc( if this is more than a dozen people, whittle it down) with a 24h window for comment before publication. Then after that parts out of the way go back and tackle the big questions with a big round table discussion or how ever you do it.That part is really impotent and will take longer. If you can't do it in that kind off fashion because of corporate policy's than the policy's need to be altered so you can. If Criss, Scott and the other bigger fish cant get the polices changed then all the fish may end up without enough water. Gamers are expecting all game company's to be nimble not ponderous. Look I know that I expect things to happen fast, i work in a industry that has insane time pressure, in 21 to 30 days we shot a 2h TV Movie, 1h TV show in 7 days, and most small feature 60 to 90 days some times less. If its smaller than a fridge we don't ship by land we Fed-X it over night. we work 13h days minimum all the time some times 7 days a week.
The last two "Errata " posts on the main web sight are not errata there more like drooped content. It's been almost a month since Criss said that errata was a priority and that more resources were being brought to bare on the issue. In that time WotC has made two easy posts. That seems rather slow given the priority that the customer and management have placed on the issue.
Let me state that this is not meant as a attack on you Logan or any other employ at WotC but rather a revive of what appearers to be a bureaucracy out of control. I can think of no other reason for this kind of delay other than it being deliberate or a case of incompetence neither of which can i see or except as being the problem.:D :D
We're starting with new releases, and going back to older books is only an option if we have time for it. As far as including errata on any new books for other lines (I wonder which one you're referring to ;)), that's TBD. With Star Wars Saga Edition releasing, we'll need to figure that out.

lol,Thanks for the answer Logan..I'll pass it on down to the rest of the gang in d20m land....

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We're well aware that people want errata for releases we've missed. However, the best way to avoid another huge gap is to go forward with our new books and pick up the others if we can.

I understand that, and truly do expect that new releases will receive errata first. However, we've also been promised increased editorial staff so one would hope that we'd be seeing fewer errors.

Personally, I think that errata should become WOTC's top priority. Yes, it's nowhere near as "sexy" as releasing new products but quite frankly, the quality of the new products flat out sucks. The level of errors we're seeing in current products is unacceptable. New products might mean sales figures but right now the impression that I get is that WOTC is content to continue pumping out shoddy product and then doesn't want to stand behind them with support. Honestly, I'm flat out not buying, and it has nothing to do with the magazines being discontinued (I never bought either magazine), but the shift in attitude I'm talking about.

There's a good list of books that have come out recently, and not so recently, that I'd like to purchase but I'm just not going to do it unless I see WOTC putting some real effort into improving the quality of new releases and fixing the mistakes in existing ones.
WotC needs to hire a proofreader, and I nominate Essex. He does so much quality work without pay, I imagine it'd be relatively cheap to get him as an independent contractor and avoid most of this garbage from getting out in the first place.

And you're welcome, Essex; I have no problem speaking for you.
WotC needs to hire a proofreader, and I nominate Essex. He does so much quality work without pay, I imagine it'd be relatively cheap to get him as an independent contractor and avoid most of this garbage from getting out in the first place.

And you're welcome, Essex; I have no problem speaking for you.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

As luck would have it I am currently out of work (I quit my proofreading job of 10 years so that I could move to Florida and take care of my grandmother) and looking for ANY potential source of income. While I couldn't relocate I do have a high speed internet connection that would allow me to receive large text files. Of course, if I proofread the new products before they were released what would be left for me to post on the message boards?;)
I'm not sure WOTC has more errata than others since frankly, there isn't any other thing we can match it with.

When I was a TA, I was always told, "NEVER, EVER, use the examples/formulaes given in a math/physics book if it was a 1st edition without doublechecking yourself". Yet these are crunch which have been known/used for decades.

The fact is, 1st editions in math/physics books are always rife with errors and this is true for the crunch of the WOTC products. I mean, how much errata did people find in say "Expedition to Castle Ravenloft"?
One thing the folks at Wizards should seriously consider is establishing an errata coordinator. This is how other game companies handle errata.

Steve Jackson Games, for example, has a volunteer who goes through the errata submissions, makes sure they are potential errata and not a misunderstanding, then submits this list to the line editor. The line editor periodically reviews all submitted errata, confirms or refutes it, and passes this back to the coordinator. It then gets posted on the Errata webpage. There you can find errata for any book they publish. If a book has no errata, they tell you.

Errata for all the WotC books needs to be compiled, not just the new books. While it is important to make sure that the new books are correct (or corrected when errors are found), the same is true for older books. Just because a book is newer doesn't mean it is more important.
For Tome of Battle this is a key thread.

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=683775

Sadly I don't think the top pages have been updated since page 4 or so, so it'd need a serious trawl - but there's some key stuff in there.
Personally, I think WoTC is doing this the right way. Firstly, they need to establish a system of errata and thus the establishment of criteria becomes the primary objective to this date. I also believe they are doing the right thing by working on the new books, the bomb has already gone off on the old ones, might as well diffuse the new ones rather than pick up the pieces of the old for now. Honestly, I read through a couple of the errata threads and I found most of it a waste of time. If I can figure it out on my own, I dont need an errata for it.

To me the criteria for the errata should be to only change things that have an actual game impact, ie what action does a specific ability require, game balance issues, left out material etc. The NPC is only as valuable as the new information..if the new information is represented correctly then I personally don't care about the rest.
For Tome of Battle this is a key thread.

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=683775

Sadly I don't think the top pages have been updated since page 4 or so, so it'd need a serious trawl - but there's some key stuff in there.

Thanks for the link, looks like a good one.
I'm sorry? this is really confusing me, with the amount of player compiled errata on this web sight it would seem to be reasonably easy to put to gather the errata for older books. you might have to push off the more complex questions and answerers with a statement like "we are studding this issue and how best to resolve it. "

Yup..almsot of the d20 modern and other D20M books have player complied errata jsut screaming to be compiled and officalized....anymore news for us Logan?

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