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I started the FAQ when the GenCon was going on and we all found out that 4th edition of Dungeon and Dragons was announced. Now in the short time I have been at this the amount of information that is given to us the community is massive. I started off with just one post containing all the info. And soon I found out that that was not enough.
Now a lot of you have been asking if I could re do it a bit clearer. And I decided to do this. Now this FAQ will be a 4 part post. The update part is the first post. I will put all the new post of one day in here. Now I live in Europe so ill put time tags on the post added and they will move downwards to their section’s. Part 2 and 3 will be the original quote based FAQ. This will contain the various information that is scattered around the 4e forum and the website. The 4th part will be a written bit later. But will be a straight forward F.A.Q. based on categories. Were I will just give the answer to the question based on the information of the information given by the WotC staff members in the forums

How to use this FAQ
The first 3 parts of this FAQ is a compiled list of all the answers the WotC staff have given in the various threads about 4th Edittion. I deliberately used the quote function so that you can jump right to that post and read what other forum users have said about that answer. This thread itself is not started by them. And I don't know if they keep an eye out for questions. You can ask your questions in the various topics.

The FAQ is split up in various topics from communication and community and of course the game itself how it works the various settings races etc. Then we go to D&D Insider a new system for us the players to use. And last but not least some community members pointed out that we got a lot information in blogs, podcasts etc. I will add these in the FAQ too.

Before posting anything
The answers below are excerpted from wider discussions. I try to make the questions so that they show the context of the discussion. But seeing my main language is Dutch I always suggest reading before doing anything.

Also WotC has put some info on their main DND page. They put up articles like:

Design & Development: Race, Classes, Party Role, Monster, Dungeon Design in 4E,[highlight]Points of Light, PC Roles[/highlight]
Playtest Report: Castle Smoulderthorn part: 1, 2. [highlight]Tomb Under the Tor part: 1[/highlight]
And of course the column of the R&D Director of D&D called &

Also the presentation of 4e is something interesting to watch. It's in four parts::1, 2, 3 and 4

Thanks to Gamer_zero we also have these video's: 1, 2, 3.

Dont forget to lissen to Gamer Radio Zer0 somtimes they have info.. Especely these podcast: Podcast 10 with Paizo Publishing

A word of thanks
I want to thank the WotC staff members who took the time to reply to questions even when there at the Gencon. And for everyone helping me pointing out things

I forgotten or should edit to make it more clear.

I also want to thank ninjeff for helping with my spelling and grammar. And you guys for posting idea’s how I can improve the FAQ for you all to use.

Were is the rest of the FAQ
Well the oficial FAQ sticky is here. Howerver updating this is going slow becouse at this moment I can edit it directly. There for you can find direct updates here:
Newest Aditions
The Game
Eberon
D&D Insider and the Rest

Newest Updates
Update info
Updated 2 Sept (Started to re distibute the faq making sure the parts are all over the right spots.)
Updated 4 Sept

[4E Community Communication]
Also, why in all nine hells would reading basically advertisement require you to register? These articles contain ZERO content but a few blurbs about what the designers found "cool" (and even that with questionable intent - come on, fighter 4/bard 7? )
Gamer_Zer0;13639279 wrote:
I could be wrong, but I get the impression that your real complaint is that you don't like the content of the magazines. D&Di is free for anyone to try so everyone can judge for themselves if they think it provides the value they desire. If you consider that content to be adervertising, then you don't probably don't find it to provide enough value for you to warrant subscribing. That's okay.

If on the other hand, your goal is to mock the site or cause confusion by trying to convince people that's it's no different then the current D&D brand site, I'd ask that you keep those comments for the Doomsday thread. Thanks.

[4E Organized Play]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[D&D, Gleemax, and You]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[4E FAQ Discussion Forum]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

The Game
[4E Rules and Mechanics Discussion]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[4E Core Rulebooks]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[4E Class Discussion]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[4E Race Discussion]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.
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[D&D 4E Magic Discussion]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[4E Monsters]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[4E - Iconic Character Feedback]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[D&D Miniatures]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[4E Eberron]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[4E Forgotten Realms]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[4E Other Campaign Settings]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[OGL/d20 License]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

D&D Insider
[D&D Insider - Character Vault/Campaign Vault]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[D&D Insider — Dungeon Master’s Kit]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[D&D Insider - General]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[D&D Insider - D&D Game Table]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[D&D Insider - Dungeon and Dragon Magazines]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

[D&D Insider - Character Creator]
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.

Other official sources
The Blogs
James Wyatt, D&D Lead Story Designer
James updated his Blog yesterday. Check it out here.
Rich Baker, D&D Senior Designer
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.
Bill Slavicsekr
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.
Podcast
There are no updates to be found at this moment. See the rest of the FAQ here.
Oh sweet lord yes. We needed an FAQ sticky so badly.
Tales from the Rusty Dragon (http://rustydragon.blogspot.com) - A 4th Edition Conversion Project Covering Paizo's Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path
question about the character "creator"

When will it be available in stores and how do we download the E-books when we activate the code in the books?
Terms you should know...
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Kit Build - A class build that is self sustaining and has mechanical differences than the normal scale. Started in Essentials. Most are call their own terms, though the Base Class should be said in front of their own terms (Like Assassin/Executioner) Power Points - A mechanic that was wedged into the PHB3 classes (with the exception of the Monk) from the previous editions. This time, they are used to augment At Wills to be Encounters, thus eliminating the need to choose powers past 4th level. Mage Builds - Kit builds that are schools of magic for the Wizard. A call back to the previous editions powering up of the wizard. (Wizard/Necromancer, for example) Unlike the previous kit builds, Wizards simply lose their Scribe Rituals feature and most likely still can choose powers from any build, unlike the Kit Builds. Parcel System - A treasure distribution method that keeps adventurers poor while forcing/advising the DM to get wish lists from players. The version 2.0 rolls for treasure instead of making a list, and is incomplete because of the lack of clarity about magic item rarity.
ha ha
56902498 wrote:
They will Essentialize the Essentials classes, otherwise known as Essentials2. The new sub-sub-classes will be: * Magician. A subsubclass of Mage, the magician has two implements, wand and hat, one familiar (rabbit) and series of basic tricks. * Crook. A subsubclass of Thief, the Crook can only use a shiv, which allows him to use his only power... Shank. * Angry Vicar, a subsubclass of warpriest, the angry vicar has two attacks -- Shame and Lecture. * Hitter. A subsubclass of Slayer, the Hitter hits things. * Gatherer. A subsubclass of Hunter, it doesn't actually do anything, but pick up the stuff other players might leave behind. Future Essentials2 classes include the Security Guard (Sentinel2), the Hexknife (Hexblade2), the Webelos (Scout2), the Gallant (Cavalier2) and the Goofus (Knight2). These will all be detailed in the box set called Heroes of the Futile Marketing. (Though what they should really release tomorrow is the Essentialized version of the Witchalok!)
Oh sweet lord yes. We needed an FAQ sticky so badly.

Now if they can just find a way to force anyone that has yet to visit the boards to redirect to this thread first.
This post is awesome! Thanks for making it, Thadir, and thanks to WotC_Dave for moving it over here.
Nice job.

Now at least when people bring the topic up we can shout "read the FAQ!" or something...
Keep up the FAQ. It is almost like an Errata for these boards since a lot of people keep repeating the same questions.

"It's not coming out (It's broken)"

"Yes it is - see here (Pay attention)"

Repeat for every 12th poster on the boards.:D
Great work Thadir thanks a lot
Please explain to me how you (WotC) can justify charging a second fee to un-lock online use of a product you've just purchased?? Even if it's just $0.99, that's pretty bloody low, if you ask me.

I stare at this strange and somewhat cold creature WotC has become (maybe has always been, I have simply been too blind to see) and ask the same. It is low. And the worst thing is, we both know that people will give them money for this 'additional feature'.
A lot of other questions answered here: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=908068

Good info about questions I've seen multiple times on these boards.

Also check the podcast here: http://www.gleemax.com/articles/announcement002.html
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I stare at this strange and somewhat cold creature WotC has become (maybe has always been, I have simply been too blind to see) and ask the same. It is low. And the worst thing is, we both know that people will give them money for this 'additional feature'.

I agree. I can understand the desire to prevent pirates from stealing the product, but this seems like a pretty sleazy way to do it. "We don't want anybody to steal our stuff, so if you're honest and you want all of what's available, you have to pay twice."

As for the price: "... can't say right now but I guess about the cost of a coffee (what I can't say is if it drip or a Starbucks triple vente chocolate mocha.)" I think anyone with any common sense will know which end of that scale the price will be on.
Will Living Greyhawk be supported, or will the launch of 4th edition mean the end of the world wide campaign?
Please explain to me how you (WotC) can justify charging a second fee to un-lock online use of a product you've just purchased?? Even if it's just $0.99, that's pretty bloody low, if you ask me.

Funny, I thought that was how economics was supposed to work. You offer something at a reasonable price, and if there's demand for the product/service at that price, it'll sell. If the product is overpriced or of low quality, it won't.
Great work Thadir
A lot of other questions answered here: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=908068

Good info about questions I've seen multiple times on these boards.

ok... several things pop out, good and bad.

Skills are getting hosed. Looks like the SaGa rules are in full effect here and having any skills outside of combat will be a spur of the moment "I can cook" type of thing.

The Warlock seems to be left out of core, which is expected somewhat, but disappointing.

The Wizard and Sorcerer are still two seperate classes. Why I couldn't even begin to say, but the only reason Sorcerer is around in the first place is that the Fire and Forget system of magic was reconized as flawed and was kept anyway. The sorcerer was added to provide a patch and alternative.

It is good that they have changed the magic system. The way it is being talked about, it seems the wizard will still mem spells but will be able to use them as a sorcerer uses his known spells. Don't know if Spell points (Mana!!) is being done, but they did address it and the old "fire and Forget" system is mostly gone somehow.

No more XP cost to create items... YAY!!

The change to PrC is hopefully slanted toward keeping the unique ones (Shadow Dancer and such) while tossing the combo PrC that are basically two classes put into one.

With book expansions having to be online to use, it looks like the Character Generator will be chained to the net. I wonder if you even get to save your character on your own computer instead of leaving it online?

ECL being gone (i think) is a good thing.

Overall, not a great beginning, but it fills me with hope.

I just want three things now.

- The Half orcs not be a core playable race

- The Warlock class to be included

- The Bard to have something other than "Music" to describe his class features. It can be used through music, prouse, comedy, insults, flattery and other ways. Storytelling is the main way I used a bard in 2nd ed. and I could not do that in 3rd.
Terms you should know...
Show
Kit Build - A class build that is self sustaining and has mechanical differences than the normal scale. Started in Essentials. Most are call their own terms, though the Base Class should be said in front of their own terms (Like Assassin/Executioner) Power Points - A mechanic that was wedged into the PHB3 classes (with the exception of the Monk) from the previous editions. This time, they are used to augment At Wills to be Encounters, thus eliminating the need to choose powers past 4th level. Mage Builds - Kit builds that are schools of magic for the Wizard. A call back to the previous editions powering up of the wizard. (Wizard/Necromancer, for example) Unlike the previous kit builds, Wizards simply lose their Scribe Rituals feature and most likely still can choose powers from any build, unlike the Kit Builds. Parcel System - A treasure distribution method that keeps adventurers poor while forcing/advising the DM to get wish lists from players. The version 2.0 rolls for treasure instead of making a list, and is incomplete because of the lack of clarity about magic item rarity.
ha ha
56902498 wrote:
They will Essentialize the Essentials classes, otherwise known as Essentials2. The new sub-sub-classes will be: * Magician. A subsubclass of Mage, the magician has two implements, wand and hat, one familiar (rabbit) and series of basic tricks. * Crook. A subsubclass of Thief, the Crook can only use a shiv, which allows him to use his only power... Shank. * Angry Vicar, a subsubclass of warpriest, the angry vicar has two attacks -- Shame and Lecture. * Hitter. A subsubclass of Slayer, the Hitter hits things. * Gatherer. A subsubclass of Hunter, it doesn't actually do anything, but pick up the stuff other players might leave behind. Future Essentials2 classes include the Security Guard (Sentinel2), the Hexknife (Hexblade2), the Webelos (Scout2), the Gallant (Cavalier2) and the Goofus (Knight2). These will all be detailed in the box set called Heroes of the Futile Marketing. (Though what they should really release tomorrow is the Essentialized version of the Witchalok!)
Funny, I thought that was how economics was supposed to work. You offer something at a reasonable price, and if there's demand for the product/service at that price, it'll sell. If the product is overpriced or of low quality, it won't.

It isn't a reasonable price. It is D&D, not a cheap porn site. Video games and table top games are completely different and shouldn't be treated the same as if they weren't.
Terms you should know...
Show
Kit Build - A class build that is self sustaining and has mechanical differences than the normal scale. Started in Essentials. Most are call their own terms, though the Base Class should be said in front of their own terms (Like Assassin/Executioner) Power Points - A mechanic that was wedged into the PHB3 classes (with the exception of the Monk) from the previous editions. This time, they are used to augment At Wills to be Encounters, thus eliminating the need to choose powers past 4th level. Mage Builds - Kit builds that are schools of magic for the Wizard. A call back to the previous editions powering up of the wizard. (Wizard/Necromancer, for example) Unlike the previous kit builds, Wizards simply lose their Scribe Rituals feature and most likely still can choose powers from any build, unlike the Kit Builds. Parcel System - A treasure distribution method that keeps adventurers poor while forcing/advising the DM to get wish lists from players. The version 2.0 rolls for treasure instead of making a list, and is incomplete because of the lack of clarity about magic item rarity.
ha ha
56902498 wrote:
They will Essentialize the Essentials classes, otherwise known as Essentials2. The new sub-sub-classes will be: * Magician. A subsubclass of Mage, the magician has two implements, wand and hat, one familiar (rabbit) and series of basic tricks. * Crook. A subsubclass of Thief, the Crook can only use a shiv, which allows him to use his only power... Shank. * Angry Vicar, a subsubclass of warpriest, the angry vicar has two attacks -- Shame and Lecture. * Hitter. A subsubclass of Slayer, the Hitter hits things. * Gatherer. A subsubclass of Hunter, it doesn't actually do anything, but pick up the stuff other players might leave behind. Future Essentials2 classes include the Security Guard (Sentinel2), the Hexknife (Hexblade2), the Webelos (Scout2), the Gallant (Cavalier2) and the Goofus (Knight2). These will all be detailed in the box set called Heroes of the Futile Marketing. (Though what they should really release tomorrow is the Essentialized version of the Witchalok!)
Funny, I thought that was how economics was supposed to work. You offer something at a reasonable price, and if there's demand for the product/service at that price, it'll sell. If the product is overpriced or of low quality, it won't.

I suppose WotC won't mind if I don't buy they're low quality and overpriced extra then?
It isn't a reasonable price. It is D&D, not a cheap porn site. Video games and table top games are completely different and shouldn't be treated the same as if they weren't.

It's a perfectly reasonable price.

I don't get all the wacky reactions to the DDi thing. It is something that they are not currently providing for you now, so you can easily ignore it when it comes out and nothing will change for you.

Should you choose to utilize these new services, expect to pay a fee. paying for new types of services isn't exactly a new idea in this world.
It's a perfectly reasonable price.

I don't get all the wacky reactions to the DDi thing. It is something that they are not currently providing for you now, so you can easily ignore it when it comes out and nothing will change for you.

Should you choose to utilize these new services, expect to pay a fee. paying for new types of services isn't exactly a new idea in this world.

I have this reaction because they are replace E-Tools (or RPG Forge from CMP) with an online only character creator that will, more than likely, be inferior to the product that they yanked.

And instead of paying 30 bucks and taking it home, you have to pay a monthly fee to "access" it and keeping paying to continue to use it.

It is overpriced. period.
Terms you should know...
Show
Kit Build - A class build that is self sustaining and has mechanical differences than the normal scale. Started in Essentials. Most are call their own terms, though the Base Class should be said in front of their own terms (Like Assassin/Executioner) Power Points - A mechanic that was wedged into the PHB3 classes (with the exception of the Monk) from the previous editions. This time, they are used to augment At Wills to be Encounters, thus eliminating the need to choose powers past 4th level. Mage Builds - Kit builds that are schools of magic for the Wizard. A call back to the previous editions powering up of the wizard. (Wizard/Necromancer, for example) Unlike the previous kit builds, Wizards simply lose their Scribe Rituals feature and most likely still can choose powers from any build, unlike the Kit Builds. Parcel System - A treasure distribution method that keeps adventurers poor while forcing/advising the DM to get wish lists from players. The version 2.0 rolls for treasure instead of making a list, and is incomplete because of the lack of clarity about magic item rarity.
ha ha
56902498 wrote:
They will Essentialize the Essentials classes, otherwise known as Essentials2. The new sub-sub-classes will be: * Magician. A subsubclass of Mage, the magician has two implements, wand and hat, one familiar (rabbit) and series of basic tricks. * Crook. A subsubclass of Thief, the Crook can only use a shiv, which allows him to use his only power... Shank. * Angry Vicar, a subsubclass of warpriest, the angry vicar has two attacks -- Shame and Lecture. * Hitter. A subsubclass of Slayer, the Hitter hits things. * Gatherer. A subsubclass of Hunter, it doesn't actually do anything, but pick up the stuff other players might leave behind. Future Essentials2 classes include the Security Guard (Sentinel2), the Hexknife (Hexblade2), the Webelos (Scout2), the Gallant (Cavalier2) and the Goofus (Knight2). These will all be detailed in the box set called Heroes of the Futile Marketing. (Though what they should really release tomorrow is the Essentialized version of the Witchalok!)
I have this reaction because they are replace E-Tools (or RPG Forge from CMP) with an online only character creator that will, more than likely, be inferior to the product that they yanked.

And instead of paying 30 bucks and taking it home, you have to pay a monthly fee to "access" it and keeping paying to continue to use it.

It is overpriced. period.

So you're angry because they are putting out their own product to compete with the services that third parties provide, and will most likely continue to provide, for you now, at a price?

Simple, go buy the one you like best, for the price you are willing to pay.
When any of you doomsayers can come up with a better idea for less, let me know. Codemonkey, PCGen, Herolab, Redsword..all of them cost money and you must pay extra for the expansions for the books. Cup of coffee sounds about right to me to have everything I buy automatically installed into the computer including dungeon magazine adventure maps. They are not going to offer services for free. Paizo doesn't, their cost is added into their manuals. Its 240$/year for their maps, magazines and pdfs...oh and you dont get a character generator or map maker, dm tools etc. I've been using electronics to compliment my hobby for years and what DnD is offering is on par and better than most of the other implementations that I have seen. Not only that but all of those nifty tools are in one place and seemingly easy to use. I can't wait.
So you're angry because they are putting out their own product to compete with the services that third parties provide, and will most likely continue to provide, for you now, at a price?

Simple, go buy the one you like best, for the price you are willing to pay.

E-Tools was Wizards licensed to CMP... they yanked it and are not providing a replacement. The product they are putting out now is unusable for me and is inferier to the product they already had before.

RPG Forge is by CMP and will be coming out just in time to need an upgrade to 4th ed. Assuming the OGL is still available for them, the only thing they would be able to use is the core rules. Any (sublimental )rules I would need to use would have to be hand inputed in and to sell data sets to do that for me will be illegal.

That is why I am angry. DDi is a ransom, pay to use this or don't get it.

Yep, I am angry.
Terms you should know...
Show
Kit Build - A class build that is self sustaining and has mechanical differences than the normal scale. Started in Essentials. Most are call their own terms, though the Base Class should be said in front of their own terms (Like Assassin/Executioner) Power Points - A mechanic that was wedged into the PHB3 classes (with the exception of the Monk) from the previous editions. This time, they are used to augment At Wills to be Encounters, thus eliminating the need to choose powers past 4th level. Mage Builds - Kit builds that are schools of magic for the Wizard. A call back to the previous editions powering up of the wizard. (Wizard/Necromancer, for example) Unlike the previous kit builds, Wizards simply lose their Scribe Rituals feature and most likely still can choose powers from any build, unlike the Kit Builds. Parcel System - A treasure distribution method that keeps adventurers poor while forcing/advising the DM to get wish lists from players. The version 2.0 rolls for treasure instead of making a list, and is incomplete because of the lack of clarity about magic item rarity.
ha ha
56902498 wrote:
They will Essentialize the Essentials classes, otherwise known as Essentials2. The new sub-sub-classes will be: * Magician. A subsubclass of Mage, the magician has two implements, wand and hat, one familiar (rabbit) and series of basic tricks. * Crook. A subsubclass of Thief, the Crook can only use a shiv, which allows him to use his only power... Shank. * Angry Vicar, a subsubclass of warpriest, the angry vicar has two attacks -- Shame and Lecture. * Hitter. A subsubclass of Slayer, the Hitter hits things. * Gatherer. A subsubclass of Hunter, it doesn't actually do anything, but pick up the stuff other players might leave behind. Future Essentials2 classes include the Security Guard (Sentinel2), the Hexknife (Hexblade2), the Webelos (Scout2), the Gallant (Cavalier2) and the Goofus (Knight2). These will all be detailed in the box set called Heroes of the Futile Marketing. (Though what they should really release tomorrow is the Essentialized version of the Witchalok!)
Why is charging money to get a PDF second copy of your book and an expansion pack for the computer programs so unreasonable?

And if it's so unreasonable, just buy the book, sit down at your gaming table and play. It's only an online magazine subscription and a complex chat interface.
If it is online like it is toted to be, it will not be better. I can't see having to wait for my web page to load to see my character evertime I need to level up or add eq. I need to be able to use it offline, or at the very least be able see my character without having to flip though several pages.

This monthly fee is not good for this hobby, and will be the eventual death of D&D.

Edit... didn't see your post name44. It is because that the choice was taken away from me. The character generator I have and the one I want to get is hampered by the fact that it can't support the other books that will come out after the core. To use an inferior online model instead is silly to me and having it ransomed for a monthly fee is unforgivable.
Terms you should know...
Show
Kit Build - A class build that is self sustaining and has mechanical differences than the normal scale. Started in Essentials. Most are call their own terms, though the Base Class should be said in front of their own terms (Like Assassin/Executioner) Power Points - A mechanic that was wedged into the PHB3 classes (with the exception of the Monk) from the previous editions. This time, they are used to augment At Wills to be Encounters, thus eliminating the need to choose powers past 4th level. Mage Builds - Kit builds that are schools of magic for the Wizard. A call back to the previous editions powering up of the wizard. (Wizard/Necromancer, for example) Unlike the previous kit builds, Wizards simply lose their Scribe Rituals feature and most likely still can choose powers from any build, unlike the Kit Builds. Parcel System - A treasure distribution method that keeps adventurers poor while forcing/advising the DM to get wish lists from players. The version 2.0 rolls for treasure instead of making a list, and is incomplete because of the lack of clarity about magic item rarity.
ha ha
56902498 wrote:
They will Essentialize the Essentials classes, otherwise known as Essentials2. The new sub-sub-classes will be: * Magician. A subsubclass of Mage, the magician has two implements, wand and hat, one familiar (rabbit) and series of basic tricks. * Crook. A subsubclass of Thief, the Crook can only use a shiv, which allows him to use his only power... Shank. * Angry Vicar, a subsubclass of warpriest, the angry vicar has two attacks -- Shame and Lecture. * Hitter. A subsubclass of Slayer, the Hitter hits things. * Gatherer. A subsubclass of Hunter, it doesn't actually do anything, but pick up the stuff other players might leave behind. Future Essentials2 classes include the Security Guard (Sentinel2), the Hexknife (Hexblade2), the Webelos (Scout2), the Gallant (Cavalier2) and the Goofus (Knight2). These will all be detailed in the box set called Heroes of the Futile Marketing. (Though what they should really release tomorrow is the Essentialized version of the Witchalok!)
That is why I am angry. DDi is a ransom, pay to use this or don't get it.

Yep, I am angry.

DDI will be a service, yes. Pay for it or not, yes.

Who are you to say what properties belonging to WotC that they can or cannot charge for?

If they choose to yank all online support or accessories from the game, that is their right. We can go back to the days when all we had were pre-printed character sheets sold by TSR for $10 per pack, and it was a copyright violation to run off copies of them, if you wish.

Perhaps you should take this energy you are spending working yourself up into a frenzy and apply it towards figuring out exactly where along the way you came to possess this sense of entitlement you hold so dear?
Dear Wizards,

I have one more question about D&D Insider that I have not yet seen answered. Which parts of D&DI are part of the coffee-cup-payment deal (paid once), and which are payed on monthly basis?

As far as I could find:
- All the books come with a coffee-cup-deal for an e-book version.
- The Dungeon and the Dragon magazines are paid per month.

What about the digital gametable tool and character creation software?

Grtz,
-SchemerRat
E-Tools was Wizards licensed to CMP... they yanked it and are not providing a replacement. The product they are putting out now is unusable for me and is inferier to the product they already had before.

RPG Forge is by CMP and will be coming out just in time to need an upgrade to 4th ed. Assuming the OGL is still available for them, the only thing they would be able to use is the core rules. Any (sublimental )rules I would need to use would have to be hand inputed in and to sell data sets to do that for me will be illegal.

That is why I am angry. DDi is a ransom, pay to use this or don't get it.

Yep, I am angry.

The OGL will still exist in 4th edition.

If I decide to sell an auto-repair manual for $14.99, I am not ransoming information away from the world. It's a product. People pay for products. Ransoming is generally taking away something that is not yours, and charging someone to get it back.
I want something, I go buy it. I don't lease, I rent only when no alternative presents itself, and I don't pay monthly fees to web sites or online games.

I simply want a character generator. Wizards took away the one I used in the past and seriously hampered the one I intent to use. This is so that the Online one will be the only real choice and it is ransomed for a monthly fee that I don't like getting hampered into.

120 dollars a year is a lot to ask to replace my 70 dollar program. It is a lot more since I can't own the program, have it in my computer and can only access it online.

Is it really that hard to understand why I am so mad at this. The license for E-Tools was yanked in September, and the only thing to replace it now is this thing inside a DDi thing. This is not a replacement nor is it going to be up to standard that E-Tools (5.666) has set.

I simply will not pay the ransom and hope for a stand alone version to be sold in the future that will do better than the one slaved to the web page.
Terms you should know...
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Kit Build - A class build that is self sustaining and has mechanical differences than the normal scale. Started in Essentials. Most are call their own terms, though the Base Class should be said in front of their own terms (Like Assassin/Executioner) Power Points - A mechanic that was wedged into the PHB3 classes (with the exception of the Monk) from the previous editions. This time, they are used to augment At Wills to be Encounters, thus eliminating the need to choose powers past 4th level. Mage Builds - Kit builds that are schools of magic for the Wizard. A call back to the previous editions powering up of the wizard. (Wizard/Necromancer, for example) Unlike the previous kit builds, Wizards simply lose their Scribe Rituals feature and most likely still can choose powers from any build, unlike the Kit Builds. Parcel System - A treasure distribution method that keeps adventurers poor while forcing/advising the DM to get wish lists from players. The version 2.0 rolls for treasure instead of making a list, and is incomplete because of the lack of clarity about magic item rarity.
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56902498 wrote:
They will Essentialize the Essentials classes, otherwise known as Essentials2. The new sub-sub-classes will be: * Magician. A subsubclass of Mage, the magician has two implements, wand and hat, one familiar (rabbit) and series of basic tricks. * Crook. A subsubclass of Thief, the Crook can only use a shiv, which allows him to use his only power... Shank. * Angry Vicar, a subsubclass of warpriest, the angry vicar has two attacks -- Shame and Lecture. * Hitter. A subsubclass of Slayer, the Hitter hits things. * Gatherer. A subsubclass of Hunter, it doesn't actually do anything, but pick up the stuff other players might leave behind. Future Essentials2 classes include the Security Guard (Sentinel2), the Hexknife (Hexblade2), the Webelos (Scout2), the Gallant (Cavalier2) and the Goofus (Knight2). These will all be detailed in the box set called Heroes of the Futile Marketing. (Though what they should really release tomorrow is the Essentialized version of the Witchalok!)
The OGL will still exist in 4th edition.

If I decide to sell an auto-repair manual for $14.99, I am not ransoming information away from the world. It's a product. People pay for products. Ransoming is generally taking away something that is not yours, and charging someone to get it back.

I paid for E-Tools. Now it is unsupported and will not have 4th ed at all. It is useless.

Now the only replacement is an online product that, by design, is inferior to the one I already have.

Perhaps extortion is a better word.
Terms you should know...
Show
Kit Build - A class build that is self sustaining and has mechanical differences than the normal scale. Started in Essentials. Most are call their own terms, though the Base Class should be said in front of their own terms (Like Assassin/Executioner) Power Points - A mechanic that was wedged into the PHB3 classes (with the exception of the Monk) from the previous editions. This time, they are used to augment At Wills to be Encounters, thus eliminating the need to choose powers past 4th level. Mage Builds - Kit builds that are schools of magic for the Wizard. A call back to the previous editions powering up of the wizard. (Wizard/Necromancer, for example) Unlike the previous kit builds, Wizards simply lose their Scribe Rituals feature and most likely still can choose powers from any build, unlike the Kit Builds. Parcel System - A treasure distribution method that keeps adventurers poor while forcing/advising the DM to get wish lists from players. The version 2.0 rolls for treasure instead of making a list, and is incomplete because of the lack of clarity about magic item rarity.
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56902498 wrote:
They will Essentialize the Essentials classes, otherwise known as Essentials2. The new sub-sub-classes will be: * Magician. A subsubclass of Mage, the magician has two implements, wand and hat, one familiar (rabbit) and series of basic tricks. * Crook. A subsubclass of Thief, the Crook can only use a shiv, which allows him to use his only power... Shank. * Angry Vicar, a subsubclass of warpriest, the angry vicar has two attacks -- Shame and Lecture. * Hitter. A subsubclass of Slayer, the Hitter hits things. * Gatherer. A subsubclass of Hunter, it doesn't actually do anything, but pick up the stuff other players might leave behind. Future Essentials2 classes include the Security Guard (Sentinel2), the Hexknife (Hexblade2), the Webelos (Scout2), the Gallant (Cavalier2) and the Goofus (Knight2). These will all be detailed in the box set called Heroes of the Futile Marketing. (Though what they should really release tomorrow is the Essentialized version of the Witchalok!)
I want something, I go buy it. I don't lease, I rent only when no alternative presents itself, and I don't pay monthly fees to web sites or online games.

I simply want a character generator. Wizards took away the one I used in the past and seriously hampered the one I intent to use. This is so that the Online one will be the only real choice and it is ransomed for a monthly fee that I don't like getting hampered into.

120 dollars a year is a lot to ask to replace my 70 dollar program. It is a lot more since I can't own the program, have it in my computer and can only access it online.

Is it really that hard to understand why I am so mad at this. The license for E-Tools was yanked in September, and the only thing to replace it now is this thing inside a DDi thing. This is not a replacement nor is it going to be up to standard that E-Tools (5.666) has set.

I simply will not pay the ransom and hope for a stand alone version to be sold in the future that will do better than the one slaved to the web page.

You never had a licensed character generator prior to 2000, and the release of 3.0 either, and yet your world continued to turn.

I'm sure that some third party will eventually grant your wish via the OGL in some manner in the near future. Let's not hold our breath and kick our feet while waiting.
No more XP cost to create items... YAY!!

So what do they use instead?
Hopfully not back to the 2E method of making items

so you want a ring of regeneration? ok lose 2 Con

I shall wait and see how 4E pans out.
Well naturally I want something that can run offline too, so that I can put it on my laptop and take it to gaming sessions that are away from the net. If I can't do that with D&D I, I probably won't buy it.

As for E-Tools being unsupported, it still works and runs third edition does it not?

Exactly how many decades and editions did you expect it to last through?
Well naturally I want something that can run offline too, so that I can put it on my laptop and take it to gaming sessions that are away from the net. If I can't do that with D&D I, I probably won't buy it.

As for E-Tools being unsupported, it still works and runs third edition does it not?

Exactly how many decades and editions did you expect it to last through?

It was done really, but RPG Forge was set to replace it. Now, with the license yanked, CMP can't produce the data sets for suplimental materials.

More than likely, I will have to hand input most of the rules I will use. It is a pain and I would rather pay for the data set and be done with it.

Really, I just can't see paying monthly for an digital aid that will be inferior to one that would be inside my own computer.
Terms you should know...
Show
Kit Build - A class build that is self sustaining and has mechanical differences than the normal scale. Started in Essentials. Most are call their own terms, though the Base Class should be said in front of their own terms (Like Assassin/Executioner) Power Points - A mechanic that was wedged into the PHB3 classes (with the exception of the Monk) from the previous editions. This time, they are used to augment At Wills to be Encounters, thus eliminating the need to choose powers past 4th level. Mage Builds - Kit builds that are schools of magic for the Wizard. A call back to the previous editions powering up of the wizard. (Wizard/Necromancer, for example) Unlike the previous kit builds, Wizards simply lose their Scribe Rituals feature and most likely still can choose powers from any build, unlike the Kit Builds. Parcel System - A treasure distribution method that keeps adventurers poor while forcing/advising the DM to get wish lists from players. The version 2.0 rolls for treasure instead of making a list, and is incomplete because of the lack of clarity about magic item rarity.
ha ha
56902498 wrote:
They will Essentialize the Essentials classes, otherwise known as Essentials2. The new sub-sub-classes will be: * Magician. A subsubclass of Mage, the magician has two implements, wand and hat, one familiar (rabbit) and series of basic tricks. * Crook. A subsubclass of Thief, the Crook can only use a shiv, which allows him to use his only power... Shank. * Angry Vicar, a subsubclass of warpriest, the angry vicar has two attacks -- Shame and Lecture. * Hitter. A subsubclass of Slayer, the Hitter hits things. * Gatherer. A subsubclass of Hunter, it doesn't actually do anything, but pick up the stuff other players might leave behind. Future Essentials2 classes include the Security Guard (Sentinel2), the Hexknife (Hexblade2), the Webelos (Scout2), the Gallant (Cavalier2) and the Goofus (Knight2). These will all be detailed in the box set called Heroes of the Futile Marketing. (Though what they should really release tomorrow is the Essentialized version of the Witchalok!)
This interview mentions near the end that E-Tools will be supported. Now whether that is the current one or a whole new one is unknown or I missed it. Check it out. It is the Dungeon and Dragon Magazine go online interview.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=welcome/conventions/gencon07
Who said that the "online D&D DMing character making cluster&*%k" being pay-by-month deal is set in stone? If people demand a free/offline "DMing character making cluster&*%k" then WotC will supply it.
I know you want to think it will be that easy, but the fact is with the money they have already spent I would be willing to bet they would more likely just cann the entire thing rather than give it for free, they just can not afford an ongoing technical service like that. The fact is that I believe alot of players will invest in this package and that it will help the RPG industry as a whole. I don't see how a monthly payment will ruin our hobby...that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I was already investing in my hobby every month, this just gives me an avenue that is alot more lucrative.
Can I get a link for the sign up page to be a playtester?
I want something, I go buy it. I don't lease, I rent only when no alternative presents itself, and I don't pay monthly fees to web sites or online games.

Perhaps it's time to consider getting with the times. Companies that provide a sustained service use sustained income to support themselves. That's how it works.
I simply want a character generator. Wizards took away the one I used in the past and seriously hampered the one I intent to use. This is so that the Online one will be the only real choice and it is ransomed for a monthly fee that I don't like getting hampered into.

How is charging you for a service "ransom" in any sense of the word?
120 dollars a year is a lot to ask to replace my 70 dollar program. It is a lot more since I can't own the program, have it in my computer and can only access it online.

You're not paying $120 a year to replace your $70 program. You'd be paying $9.95 a month to replace your program, plus an online game table, DM tool set, extended supplemental material and subscriptions to both Dragon and Dungeon magazine. Now, if you just hate all these other things, you might want to consider a different hobby than role-playing games.
Is it really that hard to understand why I am so mad at this.

Yes.
The license for E-Tools was yanked in September, and the only thing to replace it now is this thing inside a DDi thing. This is not a replacement nor is it going to be up to standard that E-Tools (5.666) has set.

You haven't even seen the new character creator yet. You have no idea what it will be like. No idea at all. You're speculating wildly, and doing it poorly.
I simply will not pay the ransom

It's not a ransom. Stop exaggerating.
and hope for a stand alone version to be sold in the future that will do better than the one slaved to the web page.

Do you not have unlimited internet access or something? How is it being slaved to an online program going to severely impact your use of the product?
Tales from the Rusty Dragon (http://rustydragon.blogspot.com) - A 4th Edition Conversion Project Covering Paizo's Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path
No sign-up yet. It will be coming though.
I don't see how a monthly payment will ruin our hobby...that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Truth.
Tales from the Rusty Dragon (http://rustydragon.blogspot.com) - A 4th Edition Conversion Project Covering Paizo's Rise of the Runelords Adventure Path
I hear plenty of girly whining over character generators i think its hilarious, i have used heroforge quite successfully for years and have paid zero dollars for the privelege. As for the ebook deal yeah im looking forward to it, small price to pay to owna second digital copy of a book i am going to use for another 8 years or so. Its real simple you either look forward to the 4th ed with excitement or you dont and if you dont i really wish you would go else where to whine unless you have a decent complaint that makes sense.
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