Dragonborn Wings?

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There was art of a dragonborn with wings. Now that some of us have the books, it's been discovered that there is no feat, paragon or epic, to give them wings. What's the deal?

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Maybe something they are waiting to put in the Draconomicon or other later books?

Maybe it was decided that a base race should not possess the power of flight?

Maybe it was an oversight?

Having run a game with a dragonborn and spoken with the player about their experience playing them, I am fine with the 'no wings' thing. They seem alright by me as they are. True, a bit of a disappointment, but I am sure the way for giving a dragonborn flight will show up in the game eventually.
Maybe he was a Warlock? There's a Warlock spell that gives you wings.

I also remember seeing a pic of a Dragonborn that had a cloak/cape that was rigged to flare out like wings. Maybe that's the pic you remember?
And maybe they were completely vestigal. There's no set rules on what features dragonborn or tieflings have. Both vary greatly throughout the art, including the snapshot right next to the racial entries (the two dragonborn shown have drastically different skull structures and the two tieflings have completely different types of horns).

If you want a pair of useless wings on your dragonborn, take 'em. It'd be no different than saying your human has a hump or your halfling has a sixth toe.
You have books??? I don't get mine till they come out June 7
The wings in the picture are probably just preliminary artwork made by a contractor for Wizards of the Coast. They get told to draw a dragon-man sort of thing and some pictures come back with wings attached.

Or it could be a magic item, or it could be something that was in the rules before the release that they took out, or, or or or or...
I missed the wings too. Maybe a epic feat could give wings, if you have suffice STR and at level 25 or such.
The highest level Dragonborn from the monster manual had wings, was called champion or something and i think he was 26th lvl.

I hope it doesn't take as long for a character to be able to choose wings as a feat, although actually it will probably be an epic feat.

I just wish they made a feat for dragonborn to have a tail, maybe doing something like adding damage to a melee attack, dealing damage on a miss, cleaving or tripping or something like that.
might be a dragonborn cleric. I belive one of the paragon abilities they may receive is to grow angelic wings. Someone with books please confirm this.
The highest-level dragonborn in the MM, the Dragonborn Champion, indeed has wings and a fly speed, and it is even mentioned in the flavor text that he has actual wings, though there's no explanation given about why he has them.
Noooo, I want wings in my dragonbloods, thats the only deal valid for me

if there is not, Ill make some of my own, we love halfdragons in our games, but theyre overpowerfull, too many things, Id love to see some balanced version of those
And maybe they were completely vestigal. There's no set rules on what features dragonborn or tieflings have. Both vary greatly throughout the art, including the snapshot right next to the racial entries (the two dragonborn shown have drastically different skull structures and the two tieflings have completely different types of horns).

If you want a pair of useless wings on your dragonborn, take 'em. It'd be no different than saying your human has a hump or your halfling has a sixth toe.

Does hump let others get drunk?
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Although it mentions in the Races and Classes section on Dragonborn "And some Dragonborn with particularly strong draconic heritage might manifest leathery wings." I guess they decided against that in the later design stages.

It'd be fun as a Paragon Tier Feat though. The Racial Feats at that level are quite dull...
Although it mentions in the Races and Classes section on Dragonborn "And some Dragonborn with particularly strong draconic heritage might manifest leathery wings." I guess they decided against that in the later design stages.

It'd be fun as a Paragon Tier Feat though. The Racial Feats at that level are quite dull...

I would put it as an epic feat. Flight seems to be harder in 4e than in previous editions, especially at-will, all-the-time flight.
Well if it was made as an Encounter power, like the Angelic Avenger option it'd be more balanced. But yes, at will is definitely an Epic power.
And my worst fear for 4E comes to pass; "monsters" from PC races can get stuff players can't. That's great.

There's an epic level armor enhancement that gives you flight, except you have to land at the end of every round. Seems to say that it would be fine as an epic feat.

Poe's Law is alive and well.

Maybe the wings could be a feat tree? Like the first feat gives you a bonus to athletics checks involving jumping and maybe slow fall, second feat gives you flight. Could possibly increase the length of the chain. I just think that one feat granting flight is a bit much, no matter what level it's at.
Wizards get a daily fly spell at 16, and a daily fly spell that targets everyone at 22. Additionally, and most easily, there is a level 20 magic item that lets anyone fly (Flying Carpet), at will as a move action; the only downside is that you suffer a -2 penalty to AC and Reflex while doing so.

As for other flying things, there is a level 13 Paladin Encounter flying charge move, a level 10 Warlock Daily (that lets them fly and only fly; they're a cloud of bats or something), and a 16 Warlock Encounter.

So, limited flight is obviously Paragon and Constant flight is near epic (level 20 item, by the "rules" the earliest you could get it is 16) with a penalty. The best flight for everyone constant is an armor (but you have to land, level 23, and it's for clothies only) and the carpet.

So, in my games, I will be instituting 3 feats (which is what it was in "Races of the Dragon").

Dragonborn Wings (Dragonborn) [Heroic]
You grow nearly functional wings. These may have been vestigial your whole life, or recently grown.
Prerequisite: Str 13, Con 13
Benefit: Your jump DCs are not doubled if you do not take a running start. You gain a +5 racial bonus on Athletic checks to jump. Additionally, you ignore the first 2 dice of falling damage constantly.

Improved Dragonborn Wings (Dragonborn) [Paragon]
Your wings have grown stronger.
Prerequisite: Str 15, Con 13
Benefit: Once per encounter, as a minor action, you gain a flight speed equal to your speed +3 till the end of your turn. If you make a charge attack, you gain a +2 bonus on your attack and damage rolls.

Greater Dragonborn Wings (Dragonborn) [Epic]
Your wings have become fully functional.
Prerequisite: Str 17, Con 13
Benefit: You gain a clumsy fly speed equal to your speed +3. As a clumsy flier, you suffer a -4 penalty to attacks and defenses while you remain airborne.

Those wings end up matching what the Dragonborn Champion has.

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Xeviat-DM- You feats look good, but I have a question: what about if you are epic and only have the one epic version of the feats?
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I think he only forgott to implement the requirement to have all feats bevor.
So you should have the heroic and paragon feat bevor taking the epic one.
I don't like flight as an epic tier racial feat. Supposedly racial benefits are only supposed to go up to paragon tier. I think a paragon tier feat that gives a fly speed as an encounter power would be more in keeping with other racial feats. How fast the fly speed is should be based on the character's base speed. Arguments can be made for it being a bit slower or a bit faster.
However, if you just want to have wings, and not necessarily fly with them, then I see nothing wrong with just having non-functioning wings, or a tail for that matter. There's no particular reason either of these things needs to be represented mechanically.
I'm willing to bet we'll see race books coming out (similar to the old 2nd edition Complete Book of... books) with new and interesting racial feats. That, or expansions via DNDInsider, future PHBs...

May have been trimmed out for space and tagged for future release.
It's too bad. It would make a lot of sense to have the option for wings.
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And my worst fear for 4E comes to pass; "monsters" from PC races can get stuff players can't. That's great.

There's an epic level armor enhancement that gives you flight, except you have to land at the end of every round. Seems to say that it would be fine as an epic feat.

Well, yes. I mean, there are only 3 books. Give it time.
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And maybe they were completely vestigal. There's no set rules on what features dragonborn or tieflings have. Both vary greatly throughout the art, including the snapshot right next to the racial entries (the two dragonborn shown have drastically different skull structures and the two tieflings have completely different types of horns).

If you want a pair of useless wings on your dragonborn, take 'em. It'd be no different than saying your human has a hump or your halfling has a sixth toe.

Just a point of note, the dragonborn and the tieflings looked radially different because each of the pictures next to the racial entries depict a male and a female member of the race.
In the campaign that I just started, The GM house ruled in dragon wings as a racial choice. I can fly for 3 rounds at my normal speed as a daily power. My flight will increase with levels (I can assume this means with racial feats).
i rember a dragonborn wizard with cloth or paper wings (the picture was black and white) in the preveiw book but i dont remember one with wings
A racial paragon path would be an interesting choice. And why not epic racial feats? Just because they don't exist doesn't mean they couldn't. Races should have epic representatives; the Dragonborn Champion (Monster) is lvl 22!

I meant to say those three feats I posted had prerequisites of each other. The Paragon requires the Heroic, and the Epic requires the Paragon. Sorry, I had assumed that was self explanatory and assumed myself into doing something that couldn't be understood. My bad.

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Why not simply make it into a single epic feat?





Simple? Clean? Identical to the dragonborn champion?
I think yes.

As for people who have problems suddenly spurting wings at epic levels, IDK.
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Until they came out with a feat for it in 4.0 just use the feat tree from Races of Dragon from 3.5. You need the a 2nd feat Improved Dragon Wings to be able to fly and then only a lilttle bit a day until you reach a higher level. Just make it so you can not take Improved Dragon Wing until level 9 or 12. Use the rules given in the feat for limited use until they hit level 20, instead of level 10. I plan on using stuff from my 3.5 books at least until they come out with it in 4.0. You just need to take into acount the change in power from 3.5 to 4.0 and a lot of stuff from 3.5 can be useful.

PS. Paid for Book but have not got them yet. I wish I got my books early.
And maybe they were completely vestigal. There's no set rules on what features dragonborn or tieflings have. Both vary greatly throughout the art, including the snapshot right next to the racial entries (the two dragonborn shown have drastically different skull structures and the two tieflings have completely different types of horns).
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might be a dragonborn cleric. I belive one of the paragon abilities they may receive is to grow angelic wings. Someone with books please confirm this.

Angelic Ascendant (angelic avenger 20 attack)
Would wings give dragonborn bonuses on checks when they're trying to balance themselves?
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There was art of a dragonborn with wings. Now that some of us have the books, it's been discovered that there is no feat, paragon or epic, to give them wings. What's the deal?




Where is it mentioned that the DragonBorn do not have wings?

Player's Handbook
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Physical Qualities


Dragonborn resemble humanoid dragons. They’re covered in scaly hide, but they don’t have tails. They are tall and strongly built, often standing close to
61⁄2 feet in height and weighing 300 pounds or more. Their hands and feet are strong, talonlike claws with three fingers and a thumb on each hand. A dragon- born’s head features a blunt snout, a strong brow, and distinctive frills at the cheek and ear. Behind the brow, a crest of hornlike scales of various lengths resembles thick, ropy hair. Their eyes are shades of red or gold.


A typical dragonborn’s scales can be scarlet, gold, rust, ocher, bronze, or brown. Rarely do an individ- ual’s scales match the hue of a chromatic or metallic dragon, and scale color gives no indication of the type of breath weapon a dragonborn uses. Most dragonborn have very fine scales over most of their body, giving their skin a leathery texture, with regions of larger scales on the forearms, lower legs and feet, shoulders, and thighs.


Young dragonborn grow faster than human chil- dren do. They walk hours after hatching, reach the size and development of a 10-year-old human child by the age of 3 and reach adulthood by 15. They live about as long as humans do. 
/quote 


There is an Epic Destiny ot PAragon Path that allows it. A person in my game has it.

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So you can use the wings to "Glider Flight"

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There was art of a dragonborn with wings. Now that some of us have the books, it's been discovered that there is no feat, paragon or epic, to give them wings. What's the deal?




Where is it mentioned that the DragonBorn do not have wings?




Funny, one would expect the same description, and the accompanying stat block to mention functional wings if they had them. That is one hell of an editorial mistake if the original design had wings and they were left off of both the race's physical description and the mechanical description.

There may have been very early Dragonborn concept art, grown out of the 3.5 Dragonborn, that had wings. But there is very little published 4E Dragonborn art that shows them with wings, most of that which does is connected with the mechanical element that gives them wings.

All that being said, thanks to Dragon 421, you now have Draginborn with wings.

Wish granted?
I like that this thread was resurrected after 5 years. Hah.

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