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This exercise is in optimizing damage on charges. This is with a barbarian, of course, since barbarians get a free charge attack or two per combat. The build is quite playable from 1st through 30th, and offers both high DPR and very good combat control.

The basics:
Model LT - Warforged Barbarian (multiclass fighter) / Warforged Juggernaut / Demigod or Chosen
Starting Stats: Str 18, Dex 14, Con 16, Wis 13
Ending Stats: Str 28, Dex 24, Con 18, Wis 15

There's a lot of ways of optimizing a charge. You can mix and match based on your personal preferences, so I'll just sort them by tier.

Heroic Tier:
Howling Strike (Barbarian at-will that deals +1d6 damage, and can be used on a charge attack, increases to +2d6 at 11th and 2[W]+3d6 at 21st)
Vanguard Weapon (+1d8 to charge damage, and a daily party buff)
Lancing Gloves (+2 to damage while mounted, later replaced by better gloves)
Powerful Charge (+2 to charge damage)
Horned Helm (+1d6/+2d6/+3d6 to charge damage)
Boots of Adept Charging (shift 1 after a charge)
Fast Runner (+2 to speed when charging or running - don't take if you will be mounted)
Mounted Combat (+5 to charge damage when on a warhorse, or +2d6 on a celestial charger - other mounts like elephants allow you to charge and have them attack at the same time. I prefer Obsidian Steeds, since they're portable.)
Greatspear Weapon Proficiency (+3 to hit / 1d10 weapon, weapon of choice for this build)
Power Attack (-2 to hit, +9 to damage - useful if we can push our +to-hit up high enough to only miss on a 1, which is actually pretty easy with this build)
Polearm Momentum (knock prone when pushing 2 or more)
Warforged Tactics (+1 to hit when an ally is adjacent to the opponent, which makes charging into the flank even better)
Weapon Focus (+1/+2/+3 to damage with greatspear)
Weapon Expertise (+1/+2/+3 to hit, in PHB2)
Battle Awareness (free attack on an opponent once per encounter, and opens up Surprising Charge, power swaps, and Warforged Juggernaut)
Fighter Power Swap Feats. Harrier's Ploy is incredibly good for a level 1 daily (shift 7 squares away from an opponent whenever he moves). Quicksilver stance is pretty good (though you'll have a similar stance through Juggernaut). The level 22 fighter utility Howl of Defiance that marks all targets in a close burst 5 and grants CA for the entire encounter is another exceptional option for this build. Rain of Blows, of course, is quite decent for a low level spear fighter, though barbarians get better powers by paragon.

Paragon Tier:

Warforged Juggernaut (+1d6/+2d6 charge damage + push 1 and follow on a charge, among other benefits like +2 to speed and defenses when charging, ignoring difficult terrain, etc.)
If you don't want to be a Juggernaut (if you're not a warforged, especially), Shock Trooper is just as good (+Dex to damage on CA opponents), except it doesn't add a Push 1 to all charge attacks.
Thundergod Greatspear (+1d6/+2d6 charge damage). The +2d6 epic version is better than Vanguard weapon, but Vanguard has a semi-useful daily ability.
Spear Push (+1 push)
Frostcheese (Wintertouched + Lasting Frost frostcheese works just as well with a charger as anyone else, and is useful for getting CA for the next feat)
Surprising Charge (+1[W] damage when charging a surprised or CAed foe)
Fleet footed (+1 to speed). Don't need if you are using mounted combat

Epic Tier:
Mobile Warrior (shift 1 square after any attack with a spear)
Spear Mastery (19-20 crit)
Unstoppable Charge (your turn does not end after charging)

Optional Feats:
Seize the Moment, Secret Stride, Polearm Gamble, Pin Down, Improved Initiative, Dirty Fighting, Devastating Critical, Blood Thirst, Back to the Wall, Defensive Advantage, Defensive Mobility (for when not raging), Against the Odds, most of the Warforged feats, and others are all worthy options to substitute in.

For example, Pin Down can be game breaking by using the autoknockdown abilities of the barbarian combined with a grasping greatspear and the build's high fort and ref defenses. You charge a guy, push them one square, knock them prone, then action point grab them. They can't move and are stuck prone until they escape the grab. When in elite or solo combats, this is game-breaking. Especially, I've found, if you're holding the bad guy in the middle of a blade barrier. =)


Skills:

The Model LT is built in Luskan, and trained in athletics, stealth, thievery, and perception. He actually makes a pretty decent substitute thief, but I just wanted him to be able to gain surprise on enemies to trigger surprising charge and then the frostcheese combo.

Powers:
The powers you take don't especially matter beyond Howling Strike, since they're all pretty good. You'll have 3 rages per day, with the following options for rages: knocking an enemy prone at the start of your turn, +to speed, knocking an enemy prone on a hit (or adding +Con to damage), adding +Con to damage on bloodied enemies, adding +to hit for all bloodied enemies, adding +to hit for all enemies in sight, turning insubstantial when bloodied, etc. Lots of good options.

Equipment:

I outfitted the level 30 version of Model LT with the following items:
+6 Thundergod Greatspear
+6 Displacer Elderhide Armor (forces a reroll of all attacks on him, which helps cloak of invis last longer)
+6 Iron Armbands of Power (+6 to melee damage)
Rushing Cleats (+1 push) or Zephyr Boots (flying)
Gauntlets of Destruction (brutal 1 on all damage) or Frost Gauntlets (immobilize 1/encounter and +6 frost damage to all attacks)
Horned Helm (+3d6 charge damage)
+6 Cloak of Distortion (+5 to defenses against ranged attacks from 5+ squares away)
Shadow Band (concealment all day / daily: total concealment all encounter)
Star Opal Ring (+1 to speed / daily teleport 10) when not mounted
Ring of Ramming (+1 push) or War Ring (+1d12 on a critical)
Obsidian Steed / Warhorse (+5 to charge damage) or Celestial Charger (+2d6 charge damage) or Rhino or Elephant mount with Skystrider Horseshoes (fly 8 for mount) or Impenetrable Barding (Resist 30 on mount)
Frozen Whetsones (+6 frost damage, activates frostcheese without needing frost weapon)
Totemic Belt (daily: +1 to hit all encounter)

Charge Bonus to hit:
+15 level
+9 strength
+3 weapon proficiency
+6 weapon enhancement bonus
+1 charging
+2 combat advantage
+1 Warforged Tactics
+3 Weapon Expertise
+40 base

(And unlike a lot of builds on here, it will actually get CA, instead of pretending it will always get CA.)

If using dailies:
+Number of enemies in area (Untyped bonus; Rage of the Primal Beast - earlier you can add +Number of bloodied enemies in area with a lower level rage)
+1 Totemic Belt (power bonus)
+Number of bloodied enemies in area (Untyped bonus; Waxing Fortune from Chosen ED)

Depending on the number of opponents, this puts us high enough to only be missing on 1s, so we can use power attack:
-2 to hit

Final bonus to hit: +50 or so for a normal combat.

Charge Speed:
10 flying when on foot, 8 flying when mounted.

Charge Damage (all untyped unless noted):
2d10+3d6 Howling Strike (when raging, movement does not provoke OAs)
+9 Strength
+6 weapon enhancement bonus
+1d10 Surprising Charge
+2d6 Warforged Juggernaut + Push 1
+3d6 Horned Helm
+2d6 thunder damage from Thundergod Weapon
+2d6 mounted on Celestial Charger
+6 bracers
+1 totemic belt (power bonus)
+6 cold (whetstone or frost gauntlets)
+5 frost vulnerability (frostcheese)
+2 Powerful Charge
+3 Weapon Focus (feat bonus)
+9 Power Attack
+7.5 gauntlets of destruction (or +18 damage if you want to use bloodclaw spiked gauntlet cheese).
=3d10+12d6+54.5 cold and thunder damage, or 112 damage on a charge, 123.5 if you believe in using bloodclaw cheese. If we're using one of the rages that adds +Con to damage, increase the damage by +4.

Control:
The target is also pushed 4 squares and knocked prone. If Madden was announcing, he'd say, "Ooh! That was a big hit!" We can then shift one, and if all we have done so far in the round is charge, we can then move back 8 squares, and leave the target in a bad position: prone and 13 squares away.

It's great control. =)

Earlier on (11th level), you can do something similar by power swapping in Harrier's Ploy. When the enemy moves, you get to shift away 7 squares as a reaction. Then you can charge him again, push him and knock him prone, and then move away again. All combat long.

Crit damage (10% crit chance):
149 cold and thunder damage
+6d12 thunder
+1d10 devastating critical
+1d12 war ring
=194 damage, or 212 with bloodclaw cheese.

DPR Analysis
Let's look at our DPR so far, since the CO boards seem unhealthily obsessed with this number (even though things like the automatic knockdown and escape, in practice, is MUCH more valuable than 10 DPR either way). Since bloodclaw cheese seems standard in DPR calculations, I'll use that number here: 5% miss chance + 10% crit chance + 85% normal hit chance = .1 * 212 + .85 * 123.5 = 126.175 DPR

Plus, we'll activate either Quicksilver Stance or the Warforged Juggernaut stance in most serious combats.
Quicksilver stance gives a bonus melee basic attack every round, and Juggernaut is the same, but no strength. Quicksilver stance deals 74 on a hit (128 on a crit), Juggernaut 48 damage per target, but no attack roll. Quicksilver is worth .10 * 128 + .85 * 74 = +75.7 DPR, Juggernaut a flat +48 DPR * the number of targets adjacent.

If he crits with an attack, he gets a bonus melee basic attack (74 damage / 128 crit) once per round. With two attacks at 10% crit rate, there's a 19% chance of picking up this bonus attack each round. This adds another .19 * 75.7 = +14.383 DPR.

Total DPR = 216.258 DPR using nothing but at-will attacks during a serious fight.

If you want to start throwing in situational factors, like Back to the Wall or Sigils of Companionship, it can inch up a bit higher, though I think it's pretty good as-is.

Note: this is all sustained damage, just counting on having a stance and a rage up during each serious fight (which he can do 3 and 2 times per day, respectively). Plus you get the fun of picking up a large handful of dice and throwing them on the table. Ever since 4ed turned fireball into a lame 3d6 spell, my cube of d6s has felt unloved.

Mounted?
The option of using a mount is an interesting one - dungeons are often not designed for mounts, but an Obsidian steed lets one sneak them in a lot of times, and a celestial charger with impenetrable barding or skyriders on adds a lot to a combat. Oddly enough, we can actually move faster on foot while charging, but being mounted has a number of advantages, such as our reach increasing from a 5x5 area to 6x6, and giving monsters the chance to waste their actions attacking a mount with Resist 30 All. Using a mount also frees up your foot slot if you put Skyriders on your horse.

Powers
You might note I didn't post any encounter powers. That's because no encounter powers are really relevant to the build (though there's a few that can be used while charging for a bit of extra damage and status ailments). Tailor them to your own preferences. There's also a lot of good choices in rages, which will depend on your tactical environment. Depending on how you pick your feats, you can probably take the warforged racial feats/powers, which are very good from a survivability standpoint.

Defenses
He's not going to be nearly as fragile as most barbarians. AC 43, Fort 42, Ref 38, Will 34, but with displacer armor and a cloak of distortion, his defense is actually going to be a lot higher. Especially when you combine it with his control. Let's say he's fighting Orcus. Orcus is flying 15 squares up, so he charges him on his flying steed and knocks him out of the air and pushes him horizontally 4 squares and leaves him prone on the ground. He's out of the reach of Orcus's necrotic burst, and any ranged attacks that Orcus had that could reach him (which he doesn't) would be at -5 to hit from the cloak of distortion, and would have to be rolled twice due to the displacer armor. All encounter long. So Orcus is looking at about a 30% hit chance to hit Fort, and about a 50% chance to hit Ref, and, well, he'll hit Will. While this isn't incredibly impressive, it's a barbarian, which is the most fragile class in the game. The charge + push + retreat combination alone is enough to leave a monster prone and 15 squares away from the barbarian every round.

If you have your all-encounter total concealment ring running, then your defenses are +5 better. With Secret Stride (no penalty to moving in stealth), you could feasibly even avoid being targeted.

Tactical Analysis
I've been playing a barbarian in LFR (not this build), so I've seen how barbarians work out in practice. A typical opening round for the Model LT would be to: fail initiative, let the rest of the party go on ahead and get ambushed, come in at the end of the order, charge a monster the other PCs have damaged, hit it for 100 damage or so, putting it down, taking a free action to shift and charge the enemy controller hovering in the back ground, critting him for 200 damage (and a free basic attack for 70 damage) and knocking him 4 squares away and prone, followed by a Spur the Cycle charge for another 100 damage and push 4, followed up by an action point charge into him AGAIN, hitting for another 100 and another push 4, and then spending a move action to shift and back away 11 squares out of his ability to do anything in retaliation. He ends his turn next to the party fighter, who has marked another monster. The monster attacks the fighter, Model LT makes a free melee basic attack in response (if the monster went after LT, the fighter would get a free attack - fun, huh?) and hitting that monster for another 70 damage. End of the round - no daily, or item powers activated, just an action point and a couple encounter abilities, and he's killed one guy, knocked the enemy controller prone and out of attack range on the party (and hit him four times in a round for about 500 damage!), and finished off by whacking a monster that was daring to go after the party tank.

If you have a spare Quick weapon and power swap in one of the fighter free action encounter attack powers, you could even get a couple more hits in if you felt like it.

That's how they roll. It's actually a pretty fun class to play. At the end of that round, you'd have rolled close to 100 dice. =)

Non-charging DPR
If you don't want to charge, you can always use demigod loop cheese (at 30th) to attack with Hurricane of Blades each round. It works out to about 70 DPR per attack, with 6 attacks (and a 50% chance for a crit to grant a bonus 76 DPR, so another +38DPR there) and Quicksilver Stance for another 76DPR, for about 536 DPR sustained through the fight. It's certainly not bad, but 1) I dislike demigod loops and 2) Charging is more fun, and adds a lot more control to the battlefield.

Inspirational Video
To get you in the mood for playing him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5tt_D4PFYk
Looks fun. I was thinking about trying a barbarian sometime because I was told they were a lot of fun to play.

Questions:

Why is everyone granting CA when you charge them? I don't see why it's so automatic. After you make them prone or something then I can see it, but the charge happens first, I would have thought.

I suppose the same question comes up with Lasting Frost. You wouldn't get that damage on the initial charge. Just follow-up attacks. Are you somehow charging the same opponent multiple times? Does it require them to keep away from you?

Nitpick:

The warforged juggernaut damage bonus and push is for a charge standard action. You won't get it with Howling Strike, so you'll have to pick one or the other.

Suggestion:

Since you're pushing and proning a little even without warforged juggernaut, why not try a dragonborn, and take draconic arrogance. Extra damage = good. Get more from your Con score as a bonus, as well as some bonuses when bloodied, which you'll be a lot of the time.
Looks fun. I was thinking about trying a barbarian sometime because I was told they were a lot of fun to play.

They are. If you can avoid getting killed, which is not as easy as it sounds. =) Barbarians are the most fragile class in the game.

Why is everyone granting CA when you charge them? I don't see why it's so automatic. After you make them prone or something then I can see it, but the charge happens first, I would have thought.

There's several ways of getting CA. The easy answer is you pop your ring and have total concealment the entire combat. The medium answer is that you start combat by surprising the enemy from Stealth, and then maintaining Lasting Frost on it after that. There's various other ways, such as charging into the flank, or backing off after a charge around a corner and rehiding. It should be fairly trivial to keep CA up at all times.

Are you somehow charging the same opponent multiple times?

Yes.

The warforged juggernaut damage bonus and push is for a charge standard action. You won't get it with Howling Strike, so you'll have to pick one or the other.

Howling Strike can be done on a charge attack. Even better, if you're raging, you don't provoke movement OAs when using Howling Strike, so you can charge a minion, kill it, and then charge away to hit another opponent without provoking OAs from the 10 enemies you just ran past.

Since you're pushing and proning a little even without warforged juggernaut, why not try a dragonborn, and take draconic arrogance. Extra damage = good. Get more from your Con score as a bonus, as well as some bonuses when bloodied, which you'll be a lot of the time.

The push and prone is from Juggernaut. If you don't use Juggernaut to push, then you'll have to use a rage that knocks people down on a hit, which means you don't get your insane to-hit bonus in the combat. If you are a Juggernaut AND you use the knockdown rage, then it adds your Con to damage instead, so there you go.
I suspect that under similar assumptions of what DPR is (a daily power going, frozen whetstones/lasting frost etc) a fighter can get to about 370 DPR for a serious fight.

If frozen whetstones give a power the cold keyword, then presumably shocking flame gives the lightning keyword. If a genasi fighter can get to 124 DPR without either of these assumptions, then Promise of Storm should add 3d8 to every attack (24 on criticals, 15 on hits with Gauntlets of Destruction) and taking the Lasting Frost/Wintertouched should give him +5 damage to every attack and +2 to hit. The frozen whetstone is an extra 6 damage per attack, too. Add it all up, and you're tapping an extra 26 damage per hit (+35 on criticals), +2 to hit, and the base DPR with Dual Strike is going up 58 to 182.

You can keep Promise of Storm going for four rounds nearly every fight; but how long can fights last, really, at these levels of optimization assumptions?

With Force the Battle, that should slightly more than double.

Would you agree?
I suspect that under similar assumptions of what DPR is (a daily power going, frozen whetstones/lasting frost etc) a fighter can get to about 370 DPR for a serious fight.

I'd have to see it statted out.

You'd be talking about 300 bonus damage per hit with dual strike, which seems relatively implausible to me, though.
Howling Strike can be done on a charge attack.

Yes I know, but I was reading the Juggernaut ability as boosting the plain charge-as-a-standard-action, not something replacing that action and still counting as a charge. That said, I could probably get your interpretation past my DM, since this build is not pushing any optimisation boundaries. I just like the idea of bouncing around the battlefield like a madman.

My second plan is taking a splash of barbarian with my near-solo dragonborn battlerager/iron vanguard. Some of those barbarian powers are really, really attractive, and we haven't even seen the bulk of them.
I'd have to see it statted out.

You'd be talking about 300 bonus damage per hit with dual strike, which seems relatively implausible to me, though.

I'm guessing he'd be talking about output due to the high level stances. There's a very large number of potential attacks per round from a high level fighter no matter what at-will they decide to use. Dual strike simply adds one more. Hard to stat out without guessing details of the enemy placement, however. How many enemies can the fighter get adjacent to? Do they trigger CC attacks or OAs?
I'm guessing he'd be talking about output due to the high level stances. There's a very large number of potential attacks per round from a high level fighter no matter what at-will they decide to use. Dual strike simply adds one more. Hard to stat out without guessing details of the enemy placement, however. How many enemies can the fighter get adjacent to? Do they trigger CC attacks or OAs?

Sure. Barbarian Demigods, of course, can spam Hurricane of Blades for 6 attacks per round, which is about 500 DPR sustained, but Demigod loop cheese leaves just as bad a taste in my mouth as bloodclaw gauntlets and frostcheese.

I'll add a note about this, I guess.
Great flavor, great control, amazing damage, and it also sounds really fun to play !

Items:
Might i suggest to take Airstriders? While you cannot really fly with them, you get most of the benefits of flying: You ignore difficult terrain all encounter, and you can reach enemies up to speed+charge speed up in the air (and 1/encounter: 3*speed + charge speed up in the air). Additionally, both your normal speed and your charge speed increase by +2 (it stacks with all other speed bonuses). And, if you are in the air and fall/get knocked down/drop from an airship, you don't take damage from the fall and always land on your feet.

Also, depending on level, belt of valor might be better than totemic belt. Between frozen whetstones, frost gauntlets, displacer armor and shadow band, your daily item power uses are already spread very thin. Belt of valor's duration is just 2 rounds, but its triggered on AP use. So on a 4 encounter day, its just 4 rounds. However, if you add the Violet Solitaire, and expect at least one critical hit per encounter, its already 12 rounds per day, which is probably more than the 1 encounter use of totemic belt, and it doesn't require a daily item use.

Very minor nitpick:
Defender role is required for warforged juggernaut, and barbarian is a striker. But since you take fighter multiclass, and the barbarian descriptions says defender can be a secondary role, it takes a very very harsh DM to disallow this combination

Yes I know, but I was reading the Juggernaut ability as boosting the plain charge-as-a-standard-action, not something replacing that action and still counting as a charge. That said, I could probably get your interpretation past my DM, since this build is not pushing any optimisation boundaries. I just like the idea of bouncing around the battlefield like a madman.

Howling Strike doesn't replace the charge standard action, it replaces the basic melee attack that is part of the charge (standard) action (quote "special: when charging, you can use this power in place of a melee basic attack."). So, a very strict DM could argue you don't get the push on charges that are non standard action charges like Swift Charge, but on normal charges, it would definitely work.

Edit: If your DM is that strict, simply use Ruinous Onslaught with your swift charge, and all your charges have push again.
You have Polearm Momentum as a Heroic tier feat, but the feat requires 15 Wis, which your build doesn't have until Epic. Seems like you can live without the feat in Heroic, but you really want it at the start of Paragon, so you might have to juggle those stats a bit.

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Just something to add: You can actually rage through all five encounters, assuming one of your rages is of level 5 or lower. Just Swallow a salve of power and you get an extra shot. That should increase the consistency on the days on which its needed.
Mountain Cleave Rule: You can have any sort of fun, including broken, silly fun, so long as I get to have that fun too (e. g., if you can warp reality with your spells, I can cleave mountains with my blade).
You have Polearm Momentum as a Heroic tier feat, but the feat requires 15 Wis, which your build doesn't have until Epic. Seems like you can live without the feat in Heroic, but you really want it at the start of Paragon, so you might have to juggle those stats a bit.

Yeah, good point. You don't need it until 11th when you get push on your charge at will. You could always toss an extra stat bump into it if you want it earlier. It doesn't especially need a high dex or con.
Great flavor, great control, amazing damage, and it also sounds really fun to play !

Thanks. =)

Items:
Might i suggest to take Airstriders? While you cannot really fly with them, you get most of the benefits of flying: You ignore difficult terrain all encounter, and you can reach enemies up to speed+charge speed up in the air (and 1/encounter: 3*speed + charge speed up in the air). Additionally, both your normal speed and your charge speed increase by +2 (it stacks with all other speed bonuses). And, if you are in the air and fall/get knocked down/drop from an airship, you don't take damage from the fall and always land on your feet.

Yeah, I was toying with adding them as a third pair of shoes. They're pretty good if you're not mounted.

Very minor nitpick:
Defender role is required for warforged juggernaut, and barbarian is a striker. But since you take fighter multiclass, and the barbarian descriptions says defender can be a secondary role, it takes a very very harsh DM to disallow this combination

Taking multiclass feat qualifies you for feats and paragon paths that require that class.

Howling Strike doesn't replace the charge standard action, it replaces the basic melee attack that is part of the charge (standard) action (quote "special: when charging, you can use this power in place of a melee basic attack."). So, a very strict DM could argue you don't get the push on charges that are non standard action charges like Swift Charge, but on normal charges, it would definitely work.

I don't think it's really very debatable that howling charge can substitute for the normal charge attack, since Howling Strike explicitly says that it can. And focusing on the "standard action" part of the Juggernaut 1) doesn't matter (you only swift charge 1/encounter) and 2) seems a bit tedious and 3) Since Swift Charge lets you make a charge standard action as a free action, exception-based gameplay indicates that it should work anyway.
Taking multiclass feat qualifies you for feats and paragon paths that require that class.

yep, but it doesn't have "class:fighter", it has "defender role", which is not the same. Still, i think every sane DM will allow it.

I don't think it's really very debatable that howling charge can substitute for the normal charge attack, since Howling Strike explicitly says that it can. And focusing on the "standard action" part of the Juggernaut 1) doesn't matter (you only swift charge 1/encounter) and 2) seems a bit tedious and 3) Since Swift Charge lets you make a charge standard action as a free action, exception-based gameplay indicates that it should work anyway.

Yes, well, i was kinda also arguing for that point. I was just taking a different route:
1) You don't substitute your charge with howling strike
2) Instead, you only substitute the basic attack, wich is part of the charge, with howling strike
3) Thus, you still have a standard action charge attack (you didn't substitute the charge attack, you substituted the basic attack that is part of it)
4) Since you still do a standard action charge attack, the juggernaut push applies

Swift charge lets you charge as a free action, so its no standard action charge attack, so the juggernaugt push might not apply.

However, there is a simple solution for this: Ruinous Onslaught (PP lvl 11). This charge substitute has no "standard action charge" description, so it can be used on any charge attack, like swift charge. Since both ruinous onslaught and swift charge are 1/encounter, you can always use the two together...
yep, but it doesn't have "class:fighter", it has "defender role", which is not the same. Still, i think every sane DM will allow it.

Defender role means that it's requiring you to be a fighter, paladin, swordmage, etc. So a feat that lets you get counted as a fighter for PPs should qualify you for it.

4) Since you still do a standard action charge attack, the juggernaut push applies

Yeah, would be kind of odd to not allow substituting powers that explicitly say they can be substituted.

Swift charge lets you charge as a free action, so its no standard action charge attack, so the juggernaugt push might not apply.

I think that the "standard action" part of it is just descriptive, and not intended to limit the ability to just when you spend standard actions to charge. In any event, you still do a standard action charge, Sudden charge just reduces the time to a free action.
Defender role means that it's requiring you to be a fighter, paladin, swordmage, etc. So a feat that lets you get counted as a fighter for PPs should qualify you for it.

I really liked your build and went to play around with it in the character builder. The character builder wouldn't let me take Warforged Juggernaut with the multiclass feat Battle Awareness.

Perhaps it's a bug, or perhaps Battle Awareness doesn't give the defender role. Hoping it's the former.

Enjoyed almost everything about the build, except the name...

What about, The Warforged RAIDER!
I actually don't think you are qualified for Juggernaut, because there's no mechanism for gaining the role. It's pretty clearly part of your class - it's the first line there. Barbarians are strikers. The multi-class feats allow you to take paragon paths and feats as though you were a member of the appropriate class, but it says nothing about the appropriate role.

I'd allow it myself, mind you; I don't think the build is especially overpowered. Fighters and rangers can both (it seems to me) get significantly higher DPRs under similar assumptions about how DPR is calculated and how items like frozen whetstone work when they use two daily powers and an item daily for a fight (and that's what this build is counting the DPR with).
Enjoyed almost everything about the build, except the name...

What about, The Warforged RAIDER!

Hehehe.

I made this build for a friend of mine who's getting married. He's a big fan of the super chargers, so a super charger got made. =)
I actually don't think you are qualified for Juggernaut, because there's no mechanism for gaining the role. It's pretty clearly part of your class - it's the first line there.

Sure, but taking the multiclass feats lets you qualify for PPs as if you were a fighter, and fighters can qualify for PPs that have "defender role" listed.
Sure, but taking the multiclass feats lets you qualify for PPs as if you were a fighter, and fighters can qualify for PPs that have "defender role" listed.

Well, but that's not because they're fighters. It's because they're defenders. It's listed in their class description.

That's sort of like arguing that because fighters have scale proficiency listed in the class description, a warlock with a fighter multiclass can take plate proficiency. After all, a fighter could, and the multiclass feat lets you take feats as if you were a fighter...
I'm not sure it works either. Every class has a clearly stated role. It's the first thing mentioned for every class. Every class starts off with "Role:X" under class traits. The only thing the MC feat gives you is access to feats and PP's as if you were a member of that class. Take Stormwarden as another example. With a Ranger MC feat you seem to qualify because it stats "Ranger" as a prerequisite. But it also states "Two Blade Fighting Style". That's where you fall short. Having a role as a prerequisite is similar. There's no way to gain the role of your second class. Your role is always dictated by your primary class, no matter how effective/ineffective you are at that role.

Unfortunately this isn't 100% clear. But I think that's the intent. When a PP has a role as a prerequisite, your primary class's role must match it or you don't qualify.
I tried a build similar to this. I only tried it at lvl 7 though, but a good low level item is the Boots of Adept Charging. Nice touch to keep baddies a step away while you run wild.
I'm not sure it works either. Every class has a clearly stated role. It's the first thing mentioned for every class. Every class starts off with "Role:X" under class traits. The only thing the MC feat gives you is access to feats and PP's as if you were a member of that class.

Right. It's logic.

Fighters qualify for PPs with a defender role prereq
Barbarians qualify for PPs as if they were fighters with the feat
Therefore barbarians should qualify for juggernaut.

=)
Fighters qualify because they have the defender role.
Barbarian takes Fighter MC and can now qualify for PP's and feats that have "Fighter" as a prerequisite.
Barbarian doesn't have the role of defender.

Barbarian fails to qualify for WF Juggernaut. It goes both ways. In other words, no MC feat so far gives out its relevant role.

If a Fighter MC feat existed that gave the defender role, the Barbarian could qualify.

At any rate, I'll just say you win and you're right because I've failed to care.;)

Plus the name of your builds wins. That can't be disputed. High five.
Also, it doesn't say "Primary Role: Defender". it says "Defender Role". Barbarian officially has Defender & Leader as secondary roles (in the role description), which should be enough...
Right. It's logic.

=)

Have you thought about taking Punisher of the Gods, instead of Demigod?

You will lose +1 to hit, and regaining encounters, but you get:
  • +s to saves (important for status effects that keep you from charging
  • Free gained Action Point on a crit
  • Max damage, every attack, to a one chosen target at a time (instead of 3d10+12d6+54.5, just straight up 30+72+47 = 149, I would ditch the gauntlet of DEstruction for the storm gauntlet whatever they are called in AV for an extra +6 damage =155 every hit)
  • a daily sustained AOE push and damage (no roll needed and great for moving a guy far enough back to charge again)



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Also, it doesn't say "Primary Role: Defender". it says "Defender Role". Barbarian officially has Defender & Leader as secondary roles (in the role description), which should be enough...

Sigh. Yet it's not enough. It doesn't need to say Primary Role: Defender. I just can't summon the energy to type all this stuff again. Such a power down lol.

Also, as was stated by Verisimilar this build doesn't work in the Character Builder. But keep cheating if it makes you feel better (that is totally a joke).

For the record I think this build is a great idea (even though it may or may not be legal). It shows how good Howling Strike can be.
Sigh. Yet it's not enough. It doesn't need to say Primary Role: Defender. I just can't summon the energy to type all this stuff again. Such a power down lol.

Come on, if you look at my very first post in this thread, it was me who first pointed out the problem with the Defender Role. You cannot quote me that much out of context .
I'm obviously not talking about formally legal RAW, but about ways to get the DM allow it (paragon MC fighter+secondary defender role).

Also, as was stated by Verisimilar this build doesn't work in the Character Builder. But keep cheating if it makes you feel better (that is totally a joke).

I don't have the character builder, nor do i see it as official errata. At best, its a RAI indicator. Also, get off your high horse. Calling someone with a different opinion a cheater is really bad style -> -1 karma :D

(still true if the different opinion is actually the same opinion)
Sorry if you took anything, especially the cheater comment seriously. The cheater comment was a joke...that failed I guess. Can I get my Karma point back please?:D (I guess I'm still screwed for not reading and taking you outta context though huh? I think I still fell off the high horse and still received -1 Karma...bah)

Most of my comments were tongue in cheek. I still think this build doesn't work though. And I still think it's a really cool build regardless. Plus we had a John Madden and LT reference here. That counts for a lot. The pic of John Jefferson rules as well.


(still true if the different opinion is actually the same opinion)

lmao
Sorry if you took anything, especially the cheater comment seriously. The cheater comment was a joke...that failed I guess. Can I get my Karma point back please?:D

sure, np, ++karma.

(english isn't my first language, so my english "tongue in cheek"-perception skill is untrained at best, and additionally wisdom is my dump stat ;))
Tongue in cheek is an expression that means someone is joking, but in a somewhat subtle manner.

EDIT: At the very least, we've continued to keep the thread on the first page so everyone can continue to check out the chargtastic goodness.
This is a really cool build.

I wouldn't assume read the CB behavior as an indication of how that rule works. Some corner case rules like that don't get a lot of discussion until someone mentions them like this thread did.
Mike Donais. Cryptozoic R&D
^^^Huh? Can you translate that please?:D
This is a really cool build.

I wouldn't assume read the CB behavior as an indication of how that rule works. Some corner case rules like that don't get a lot of discussion until someone mentions them like this thread did.

Thanks, Mike!

Should I report it to customer server as a possible bug in the character builder?
Hey, Shaka, nice build, man. It's nice to see someone showing off what a Barbarian can really put out. And the football reference is just made of win.

One quick question (sorry if it's kind of off-topic):

You mention a lot of builds here "pretend to get CA"; this is about the only thing that is not crystal clear on the main post, and has thus been gnawing at me every time I browse the thread. Care to elaborate?
Hey, Shaka, nice build, man. It's nice to see someone showing off what a Barbarian can really put out. And the football reference is just made of win.

One quick question (sorry if it's kind of off-topic):

You mention a lot of builds here "pretend to get CA"; this is about the only thing that is not crystal clear on the main post, and has thus been gnawing at me every time I browse the thread. Care to elaborate?

I say its time for a LDB Barbarian build too! The Warforged Super Raider!
You have a problem I have noticed by choosing to use a reach weapon.

PHB pg 285
Flanking
...
Opposite sides: To flank an enemy, you and an ally must be adjacent to the enemy and on opposite sides or corners of the enemy's space

PHB pg 287
Charge: Standard Action
...
Movement Requirements: You must move at least 2 squares from your starting position and you must move directly to the nearest square from which you can attack the enemy. ...

With a reach weapon the nearest square from which you can attack is not adjacent to the enemy.

Your other methods of achieving combat advantage are all still possible as far as I can tell.
I say its time for a LDB Barbarian build too! The Warforged Super Raider!

Sorry, dude, I'm a Giants fan. ;)
Hey, Shaka, just wanted to let you know, I just made the Barbarian's Handbook, and I added this build to the references. Keep up the good work!
Charge Bonus to hit:
+15 level
+9 strength
+3 weapon proficiency
+6 weapon enhancement bonus
+1 charging
+2 combat advantage
+1 Warforged Tactics
+3 Weapon Expertise
+40 base

(And unlike a lot of builds on here, it will actually get CA, instead of pretending it will always get CA.)

If using dailies:
+Number of enemies in area (Untyped bonus; Rage of the Primal Beast - earlier you can add +Number of bloodied enemies in area with a lower level rage)
+1 Totemic Belt (power bonus)
+Number of bloodied enemies in area (Untyped bonus; Waxing Fortune from Chosen ED)

Depending on the number of opponents, this puts us high enough to only be missing on 1s, so we can use power attack:
-2 to hit

Final bonus to hit: +50 or so for a normal combat.

Just to quibble a little, the assumption of jumping from +40 (or +38 after power attack) to +50 seems a bit... dubious?

You have +1 from the belt.

So you're assuming you have 11 opponents at the start of the fight for the (level 29) daily? So every normal fight has 2+ allotments of minions? Are you pinballing around doing hundreds of damage to targets with 1hp? And in a fight with that many minions you can probably assume most of them will be killed in the first few rounds, dropping you to +3 unless you've bloodied some foes?

Anyway, obviously you can get the bonuses elsewhere, and the rage will still give you a hefty bonus, but 'I'll just assume +11 here!' still seems generous.
Just to quibble a little, the assumption of jumping from +40 (or +38 after power attack) to +50 seems a bit... dubious?

The average combat in 4ed has 8 monsters. You can stack both a bonus to hit for monsters on the field and a bonus equal to the number of bloodied monsters on the field if you really need to.

But overall it doesn't really matter, since nothing has an AC that high.
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