Example [Not my Real Information so thoughs Hackers, dont even try]
You don't even have your email listed...
As for the examples from real life (password protection): Of course. If DnD were realistic, (or even simulationist) there'd be tons of things that would be changed. However, it's not.
Even if it were at all realistic: Back in medieval times, (approximately what DnD is based off of) when they actually believed in magic, witches, shapechanges, and all of that stuff, did they have elaborate password protection type things? No. Why? Because really, what can you do if a powerful entity wants to do something to you? They're using powers that you can't possibly understand. And beyond that, if they really want to take over, why would their powers have such a limitation? Why do their DnD counterparts know any better? Powers shrouded in mystery are just that. Just because we're in the Information Age, where you can access most information readily doesn't mean that DnD should be (or is) the same.
Honostly, if it were like back then, most characters whould have been accussed of being witchs, burned at the stake, and all that good stuff. And all the BBEG whould have to do is accuse you of being a witch, and then they'ed torcher you untill you confess to the acusistion, you you'ed die from it. Another thing, I am sure there wasn't secreat traps/dungeons back then that still worked. Face it, no one ever really wins if you compair DnD to Real life during any time period that it seemed possable to be in.
The world of the DUNGEONS & DRAGONS game is a place of magic and monsters, of brave warriors and
spectacular adventures. It begins with a basis of medieval fantasy and then adds the creatures, places, and powers that make the D&D world unique.
Do you want the game to maintain a sense of medieval fantasy
A swashbuckling theme is slightly anachronistic forthe medieval setting of the D&D game,
Um..... yeah. That's kind of what I said in response to you comparing it to real life... That's why I said even if it were like real life.
Why do their DnD counterparts know any better? Powers shrouded in mystery are just that.
Because powers really aren't that mysterious in D&D? "Replace the King" is a level-N skill challenge, where N is probably somewhere in the paragon tier (though it depends on the king).
No problem Renizar.
DemonLord57, As to "they didn't do that in medieval times", look into Shibboleth and Notable Shibboleths. Just near the top of the page I note pass phrases used in 1302, the 1200s, 1312, and 1515 to 1519. And all 4 of those initial examples were also in European countries, the basis of most "medieval" type settings.
People have been trying to defeat disguise for as long as disguise has existed. If there's a whole species that can disguise itself at will, then places that need to be secure will definitely take appropriate precautions, or they'll be much more likely to get themselves killed off sooner than normal. It's like a kind of evolution.
THE CONSUMMATE SHAPECHANGER, a doppelganger can bring entire kingdoms to ruin through duplicity and subterfuge without ever drawing a sword.
All of which we as players know, but does the King know he is a level-N skill challenge?
Read the beginning of their entry:
That translates as "NPCs are permitted to cheat".
Also, it's far more likely that the doppelganger replaces some advisor or other less noticeable person; it's almost as effective and far less likely to get caught.
Well yeah Doppelgangers are great, and their at-will is awesome.
BUT did any of you actually realized that the doppelganger can only change his FORM and not his GEAR?
So yeah +20 is absolutely awesome...if you happen to be a transformist...
Otherwise it's really really situational and absolutely doesn't let you escape that easily. What good will it do for a Doppel to transform itself into someone else to escape a fight if he's still wearing the same clothes?
Now I agree, with a full preparation, it's great.
Just find a way to not get noticed buying the exact same clothes as the King before you impersonate him. Oh, and you'd better get him out of sight, unless you feel comfortable enough to stand a confrontation and make everybody actually think you are the real King
EDIT: Damned Shinkirou how could I NOT see your post??
Because I made a successful stealth check. ;)
Not without total concealment or Superior cover you didn't.
I don't know if someone said this already, I skimmed but may have missed it.
The MM races may be overpowered compared to PHB races, the reason for this is right in that section of the monster manual Note that these traits and powers are more in line with monster powers than with player character powers.
I shake my head when people power builds with monster races. Yes (some of) the monster races are more powerful than PHB races, and I'd advise DMs to disallow most monster races without careful consideration unless they are running monty-haul or otherwise don't care about PC balance.
I don't see why NPCs should be able to when you can't other than for some non-realistic reason such as 'well, the heroes are supposed to have a challenge.' If that's what you argue for, then admit it.
That is why NPCs can do it. However, I consider the way I would treat the PC doing it to be the realistic option -- it's cinematic that the NPC can succeed, not that the PC has trouble.
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So... it's cinematic when PCs DON'T get to do something awesome, but NPCs do?
As a PC, "replace the king" is only an interesting plot if it's hard.
Disrespect List (Now with Search).
In general, how interesting a plot is is entirely dependent on a person's point of view.
True. Okay, lemme put it another way: anything substantially useful to the PCs will take some work to accomplish. Thus, you can only trivially replace the king if it is useless for you to do so.
So in that case, why play D&D? Why have characters be good at things if they're going to have to work equally hard at anything regardless?
It obviously depends on what you want to do while impersonating the king. If you're impersonating the king to empty the treasury and take it away, the impersonation is going to be substantially more difficult to pull off than if you're impersonating the king in order to get shelter at a remote village.