When the Cat's a Stray, the Mice will Pray
Seriously, it looks like every other thread is about a warlock in this board. Why is that?
Seriously, it looks like every other thread is about a warlock in this board.
"Ah, the age-old conundrum. Defenders of a game are too blind to see it's broken, and critics are too idiotic to see that it isn't." - Brian McCormick
Well, the ideas of getting power from Demons, Fey, Cuthulu, Mr. Rogers, Achoo-thulu, Devils, Mr. Hankey, and Amon are inspiring and fascinating to people.
Which pisses me off. WotC added the warlock to appease the anti-hero / emo brats that want to be dark and dangerous. Instead of keeping the core classes from 3e like they should have.
Ah, don't mind Aria, wells. Just one of those people who pretty much hates everything and isn't afraid to go out there and ruin everyone else's fun. That kind of dedication takes work! *hats off*
4e is D&D in name only. The least they could have done was keep the same classes from the core books.
In the desert
I saw a creature, naked, bestial,
who, squatting upon the ground,
held his heart in his hands, and ate of it.
I said, "is it good, friend?"
"It is bitter – bitter," he answered;
"but I like it,
"beacuase it is bitter,
"and because it is my heart."
You mean Fighting-Man, Magic-User, Cleric, and Thief? Well, Cleric is still here, but I haven't seen the other three around in a couple decades.
This is now and always has been a weak argument. It relies entirely on 3e's class lineup being acceptably superior to the additions and subtractions of classes prior to it. Simply put no full-edition of D&D has the exact same class lineup of any other edition, so what makes 3e's lineup the ultimate benchmark?
iserith: The game doesn't profess to be "just like our world." What it is just like is the world of Dungeons & Dragons. Any semblance to reality is purely coincidental.
Areleth: How does this help the problems we have with Fighters? Do you think that every time I thought I was playing D&D what I was actually doing was slamming my head in a car door and that if you just explain how to play without doing that then I'll finally enjoy the game?
TD: That's why they put me on the front of every book. This is the dungeon, and I am the dragon. A word of warning though: I'm totally not a level appropriate encounter.
Ever notice, the ones who gripe the loudest about the changes are the ones complaining that their overpowered classes got nerfed? Not one of 'em has said "I hate how fighters at high levels are actually balanced with the high level mages," it's "my high level mage might actually get his butt kicked by an equal-leveled fighter."
Yeah... people were just clamoring to play bards and barbarians and monks and sorcerers.
I want to play a 4E bard.
I didn't think any of the classes you mentioned were unpopular--or at least, I've seen no proof of such. I think it's more likely that WotC just hasn't worked the "bugs" out of those classes yet.
Why did a thread investigating the popularity of warlock characters (of any edition) suddenly turn into a 3.x vs 4e shouting match?
Really. I'd have thought that people as creative as us would be more mature. Get off your soapboxes about the Edition Wars, please.
This thinly veiled off topic comment is why. Show
Anthro, that's really uncalled for. This is Stray's thread in the first place, and he was just trying to nudge people back towards his original subject matter.
Anyway, I've said what I had to say on the matter: My desire to play a Fey-pact warlock derives from them being the closest thing to my style of bard in the new edition. Is it any wonder that my other two top choices are inspiring warlord and trickster rogue?
There are exactly 7 things that cannot be removed from standard DnD, they are:
Clerics, Rogues, Fighters, Wizards, Dungeons, Dragons, and Beholders.
The 5e of D&D: its like a more balanced version of 2e, but with the character customization frills of 3e and 4e. I love it!
No offense Aria, but you wouldn't know what D&D is if it jumped up and bit you in the behind. You repeatedly refer to 3e as if it IS D&D. Its not. Its 3e. Half orcs, barbarians, monks, sorcerers, these things did not exist in 2nd edition D&D, at least as core.
if you REALLY like 3e that much, go join the piazo boards where a few fellow like minded naysayers won't get offended that you continuously make illogical statements that put down a version of the game that they much prefer...
I think what they were weighing was support for releases between now and PHB2 and a desire to get some newer content into the first books.