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12 months ago ::
Jul 18, 2012 - 2:12PM
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That's true... although it does bring up another problem with the design of this story: there's no way the containing plane could connect to every single other plane. It might be better to say that it periodically, and semi-automatically, opens gateways to other planes, which is part of how it remains stable--it could sort of send out pulses that attach it to other planes, which helps it maintain its place in the Multiverse. Does that make sense? But yeah, the infinity argument isn't likely to sway someone like Barinellos, for example. Just being possible doesn't make an idea good, it just makes the idea possible. And we're looking for good ideas, not just possible ones, if that makes sense. I just happen to think this idea can be turned into something very good. 
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12 months ago ::
Jul 18, 2012 - 2:28PM
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Here is the thing:
There are so many planes in the multiverse that the closest concept that we have of it is to say that they are infinite in number. From the very beginning that has been Word of Garfield. Nigh on infinite planes means nigh on infinite possibilities.
There may be resistance but at the end of the day just about anything is possible
Not everything is strictly possible. Undead walkers for instance aren't actually possible, but you can write around that restriction. Angel planeswalkers, also not possible. Also, just because something is possible, doesn't mean you should do it. That being said, the idea has potential, but it would need to be written up damn good to get accepted.
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oh my god, AWESOME!
Then changing the Slivers was your idea! haha
lol
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12 months ago ::
Jul 18, 2012 - 7:29PM
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I like both the fusion and the periodic opening idea. Perhaps something like how Phage and Akroma fused to form Karona? Mabey another Ancheint artifact like the Mirri was involved. Do you think I should change it to planeswalkers who have decided they want to represent good/evil without being an incarnate of said force? They would decide to have a multiplanar war and Guardian absorbs them to stop the conflict, but in the process creates Drakon, a planeswalker bent on destroying existence itself?
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12 months ago ::
Jul 18, 2012 - 10:06PM
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A small warning: "Karona" is something of a dirty word 'round these parts, and some may not take kindly to it. The Mirari  (the item responsible for the... Legions/Scourge Event... Mirri  has a lot less prejudice against her) was created by Karn  , and in another form  later devised a spark transfer device -- so merging Planeswalkers including through consumption is at least theoretically game. The thing about the Force idea in addition to setting up an Origin Story of the Multiverse is that the prime forces of Magic are not alignments, but the five colors, so it seems a bit wonky for them to be innate. *however* as others have noted, when you boil this down to its core concept, there;s a LOT of good here. And, as per your latest idea, oldschool planeswalkers are *not* above setting themselves up as gods. When you reframe the narrative, it becomes far more paletable.
"Enjoy your screams, Sarpadia - they will soon be muffled beneath snow and ice." THE COALITION WAR GAME-Phyrexian Praetor Round 1: (4-1-2, 1 kill) Round 2: (16-8-2, 4 kills) Round 3: (18-9-2, 1 kill) Round 4: (22-10-0, 2 kills) Round 5: (56-16-3, 9 kills) Round 6: (8-7-1) [current round] Last Edited by Ralph on blank, 1920
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12 months ago ::
Jul 18, 2012 - 10:37PM
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I was just using that as a fusing example, I'm not overly found of Karona myself...
I was thinking two pre mending planeswalkers, one white aligned and one black aligned, try to become the new "gods" of good and evil, come into conflict, Guardian stops them and absorbs them while causing Drakon to appear, so on and so forth. I just need a good way of having them be absorbed (preferably with no Karona-related aftermaths)
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12 months ago ::
Jul 18, 2012 - 10:55PM
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Hm, perhaps examining how their fusion creates that opposite force of disorder and entropy might help give you an idea of how the fusion could take place?
If you need suggestions for Drakon, there's some interesting possibilities with your plane idea. Like, one of the characteristics of the Blind Eternities is that it's chaotic, raw, searing potentiality, right? It breaks things down but it's like Milton's Old Chaos, it can be used to forge new material. Drakon isn't exactly inclined to forge new material from the Blind Eternities, but perhaps his presence enables both the doorway to other planes that Guardian constructs, and enables the slipping into reality of dream entities.
You could also, if you wanted, play around with some Freudian motifs here... Guardian seems to be the Superego in this scenario, and Drakon seems to very much be an Id force. And since you're already building a plane where dreams slide into reality, maybe looking at Surrealism as an inspiration would be worthwhile? (I mean, at the very least, Phyrexian Hailstorm will have a veritable holiday illustrating that stuff.)
Don't let me warp what you're doing, though. Please, feel free to tell me to shut up if I'm stepping on your toes creatively. :P I rant a lot when I get excited.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 6:36AM
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I am unfamiliar with concepts you are talking about. Could you explain what freudian, Supergo, and Id force are?
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12 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 7:34AM
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In the writings of Sigmund Freud, there are three basic parts of the psyche -- The Superego represents cold logic, obedience, restraint... It is the conscience, and the call to pure reason The Id, on the other hand, is its opposite number representing unrestrained desire and animalistic drives. the Id contains everything instinctual and purely emotional. The ego is the mediator between the two, and is what is in touch with reality. It attempts to sate the Id while not violating the precepts held by the superego. In writing, you often get groups of characters representing these psychological constructs. The most famous is probably Mr. Spock (Superego), McCoy (Id), and Captain Kirk (Ego) from Star Trek TOS/I-VI/2009. More Reading on FreudMore Reading on Applied Freud
"Enjoy your screams, Sarpadia - they will soon be muffled beneath snow and ice." THE COALITION WAR GAME-Phyrexian Praetor Round 1: (4-1-2, 1 kill) Round 2: (16-8-2, 4 kills) Round 3: (18-9-2, 1 kill) Round 4: (22-10-0, 2 kills) Round 5: (56-16-3, 9 kills) Round 6: (8-7-1) [current round] Last Edited by Ralph on blank, 1920
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12 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 8:26AM
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I see... Guardian does feel Superego, and Drakon certainly has Id qualities, but I don't feel that he is fully Id, because animal instinct is at base, a desire to propogate, while Drakon is more of a Nihlistic. He wants to destroy life itself, not make more life. If phyrixian Hailstorm or somebody else wanted to illustrate, that would be wonderful. I would love to have illustrations, but all my artistic talent is in creative design, not physical representation. (I suck at drawning but I'm great at ideas)
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12 months ago ::
Jul 19, 2012 - 9:16AM
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Well, the nice thing about both Freud and Jung (another major psychology philosopher that every writer should know about) is that you can adapt them to fit your scenario pretty freely. It's all metaphor, after all, rather than strict science, so it's a bit more flexible.
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