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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 12:59PM
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Jan 21, 2013
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Well yeah, exactly, when one of your two weapons hit you have a chance to use MDD. For example, you declare a dual wielding attack, your offhand misses, but you mainweapon hits, so you can dump all your MDD into it.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 1:03PM
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Ok. I see what you're saying. Because you get two attacks, you get two chances to add MDD (in case one misses). Fair enough.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 7:17PM
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Added multiple understandings of the current ruling to the OP, reworded.
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2 months ago ::
Mar 12, 2013 - 11:52PM
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Also look at the manuever list you cannot use any of them that say, "as an action." with 2 weapons at once. And I don't think you can use some feats such as cleave either.
what is your reasoning for this? what text supports this? i ask out of ignorance, not contrarianism.
as i read the TWF rule "can attack with both [weapons] using a single action". "as an action" does not preclude the use of two weapons that can make separate attacks as a "single action".
technically Off Topic. sorry for Necro.
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2 months ago ::
Mar 13, 2013 - 1:44PM
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Feb 26, 2010
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Because if you're spending the action to attack using TWF, then you aren't spending the action to perform a maneuver. Unless something mentions being done (paraphrasing) "as part of an action" or "when you make an attack," then you can't use it with TWF. For instance, Disarm states "as an action...," whereas Composed Attack states "when you make an attack with disadvantage...". You could use Composed Attack with both attacks of a TWF action, but you could not use Disarm with TWF. Maneuvers that can be used with TWF, as I am reading it (General/Fighter):
- Trip
- Composed Attack
- Glancing Blow
- Lunge
- Shove Away
Also, as an extension of this, you cannot use TWF with a reaction either, because a reaction is not an action, it is a reaction, and there are only specific things you can do as a reaction. Opportunity attacks are reactions, so TWF is off-limits there. But then, they have really terrible wording on TWF at the moment. All that I have said is assuming that I am even correct in my interpretation of what they mean. There are all manner of interpretations going around, and few people seem to agree on anything except that it is poorly written. So, I honestly wouldn't worry too much about it until they fix things, or at least release a clarification (with examples) for it.
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2 months ago ::
Mar 20, 2013 - 11:00AM
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Oct 11, 2012
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as i read it two-weapon fighting is not spending an action to make an attack with both weapons you are wielding. it says "you can attack with both [weapons] using a single action". thus actions like making a melee attack against an enemy that leaves your combat zone or actions granted by maneuvers do not bar the use of two weapons being used simultaneously. you are not "spending" an action to make two attacks so the maneuver and two-weapon fighting are not in conflict and do not exclude each other.
i think that your argument for maneuvers excluding TWF is reasonable but incorrect. reactions and opportunity attacks on the other hand; nothing in the wording for either of those approaches what you seem to have forced onto it. in fact the wording of opportunity attack would make it fall into the "works with TWF" category you delineate. reactions grant opportunity attacks or are used for readied actions. (*aside* if reactions cannot be used with TWF then you cannot ready an action to attack as a basic melee attack using two weapons. and that means that simply by saying, "i am going to wait attack this guy," that you can no longer use both weapons. because that is definitely how the author meant for that to work *end aside*) opportunity attacks simply state that a melee attack can be made. so how does that differ from composed attack as far as action use is concerned?
by your understanding spring attack does not work with TWF?
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