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4 months ago ::
Jan 17, 2013 - 6:06AM
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I'm not big on the history but from what I've read TSR and D&D were dying before WOTC came along and saved the IP. Now lets look at Hasbro, they're more or less a publisher in gaming terms and they only really care if the IP is making money or not, and it is (Go to any barns and noble and you'll see this fact). D&D video gaming has suffered mainly because of Atari who has a terrible track record but that's a side point. D&D as an IP would cost so much that only another large cooperation like Hasbro would consider buying it. For smaller companies out there it would be cheaper and easier to make their own game system and advertise it than to buy a juggernaut like D&D.
i know that 4e split the community but I think having Pathfinder around is a dose of good healthy competition that will breed a better, stronger edition of D&D in the near future. I believe 4e was an experiment and WOTC and Hasbro have learned from their experience.
As I understand it though the sales and profits of the novels do no apply to the evaluations if the game is profitable enough. However they would figure into any sales of the IP. So that is where I think the problem lies. The game could be shelved but the IP would not be profittable to sell because Hasbro is getting tons of money from the novels.
Because you like something, it does not mean it is good.
Because you dislike something, it does not mean it is bad.
Because it is your opinion, it does not make it everyone's opinion.
Because it is your opinion, it does not make it truth.
Because it is your opinion, it does not make it the general consensus.
Whatever side you want to take, at least remember these things.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 17, 2013 - 6:09AM
#102
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Let´s imagine Hasbro sell D&D franchise.... and it is bought by Disney... The company wish use Ravenloft settin to publish a serie or supernatural romances novels what mixture the hobbit and twilight saga.
I really wish people would stop it with this Disney adds sparkles to everything meme. Disney bought Marvel and has not made the Scarlet Witch into one of its Disney Princesses. It bought Star Wars and isn't going to turn everything into rainbows and sunshine.
Companies like Hasbro and Disney live and die by how they treat their IP. They got this big because -- while they can make mistakes (Battleship movie, I'm looking at you) -- they generally don't mess with the IP that drastically.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 17, 2013 - 7:06AM
#103
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Let´s imagine Hasbro sell D&D franchise.... and it is bought by Disney... The company wish use Ravenloft settin to publish a serie or supernatural romances novels what mixture the hobbit and twilight saga.
I really wish people would stop it with this Disney adds sparkles to everything meme. Disney bought Marvel and has not made the Scarlet Witch into one of its Disney Princesses. It bought Star Wars and isn't going to turn everything into rainbows and sunshine.
Companies like Hasbro and Disney live and die by how they treat their IP. They got this big because -- while they can make mistakes (Battleship movie, I'm looking at you) -- they generally don't mess with the IP that drastically.
Queue someone claiming WotC has destroyed D&D's IP.
CORE MORE, NOT CORE BORE!
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4 months ago ::
Jan 17, 2013 - 10:29AM
#104
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It makes more sense for Hasbro to hold the license and let whatever movie, book, or video game company that wants to come along as pay Hasbro massive money to use it that it does for Hasbro to sell the name to some smaller company that will not likely be able to pay it much at all.
This, more than anything else, means that DDN will make-or-break the Dungeons and Dragons franchise as a whole, in my opinion.
Want the tl;dr of my posts? Read the bold text; I put it there to highlight the main points for ease of skimming.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:05AM
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Let´s imagine Hasbro sell D&D franchise.... and it is bought by Disney... The company wish use Ravenloft settin to publish a serie or supernatural romances novels what mixture the hobbit and twilight saga.
I really wish people would stop it with this Disney adds sparkles to everything meme. Disney bought Marvel and has not made the Scarlet Witch into one of its Disney Princesses. It bought Star Wars and isn't going to turn everything into rainbows and sunshine.
Companies like Hasbro and Disney live and die by how they treat their IP. They got this big because -- while they can make mistakes (Battleship movie, I'm looking at you) -- they generally don't mess with the IP that drastically.
Pretty much. If anything, Disney's acquisition of Marvel has been really only good for Marvel fans. Although I'm not deeply enough entrenched in that world to know if there's something out there that is making hardcore fans unhappy, that's not the impression I've gotten. Disney's not some group of bumblers that don't know how to manage their IPs or believe that every product they publish is for the same demographic. Disney owns dozens of IPs that are targeted at older audiences. It's not like Disney feels the need to relentlessly screw with General Hospital or anything. The last time I turned on ESPN, it wasn't the 24-hour sparkle princess network.
Dwarves invented beer so they could toast to their axes. Dwarves invented axes to kill people and take their beer.
"Feel free to claim I said anything you like. How's someone going to call you out on it? Are they going to be all like, 'I know all of the things that Gary said, and that's not one of them?'"
- Gary Gygax
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4 months ago ::
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:08AM
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I really wish people would stop it with this Disney adds sparkles to everything meme. Disney bought Marvel and has not made the Scarlet Witch into one of its Disney Princesses. It bought Star Wars and isn't going to turn everything into rainbows and sunshine.
Companies like Hasbro and Disney live and die by how they treat their IP. They got this big because -- while they can make mistakes (Battleship movie, I'm looking at you) -- they generally don't mess with the IP that drastically.
This is very true.
On a side note, I'm still upset that WotC never tried to blend Magic: the Gathering and D&D and create a M:tG inspired D&D setting.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 17, 2013 - 11:46AM
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On a side note, I'm still upset that WotC never tried to blend Magic: the Gathering and D&D and create a M:tG inspired D&D setting.
That was something they specifically avoided (not saying for good or ill).
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4 months ago ::
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:29PM
#108
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The last time I turned on ESPN, it wasn't the 24-hour sparkle princess network.
I think it's just low-hanging humor fruit. See Disney --> make princess joke.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:45PM
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Hasbro should ponified my D&D. :D
I am still convinced that the My Little Pony D20 game that they once did as an april joke would sell a lot, maybe even outsell classical D&D
Well D&D was a 30 million dollar business to 100 million would be a reasonable offer. They bought it for $27 million and adjusted for inflation they would want at least double that.
Well, it WAS a 30 million dollar business. Nowadays it's dimished and would first have to get back to being a 30 million dollar business
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4 months ago ::
Jan 17, 2013 - 12:53PM
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Hasbro should ponified my D&D. :D
I am still convinced that the My Little Pony D20 game that they once did as an april joke would sell a lot, maybe even outsell classical D&D
Well D&D was a 30 million dollar business to 100 million would be a reasonable offer. They bought it for $27 million and adjusted for inflation they would want at least double that.
Well, it WAS a 30 million dollar business. Nowadays it's dimished and would first have to get back to being a 30 million dollar business
Yes, D&D was doing quite well, until, ya know....
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