Also, two weapon fighting is in the packet....kind of. It's in the how to play document in combat. But the rules presented apparently represent "untrained" two weapon fighting. The training we have yet to see :P
Rapidshot is gone for the time being.
Inb4 TWF rage.Also, two weapon fighting is in the packet....kind of. It's in the how to play document in combat. But the rules presented apparently represent "untrained" two weapon fighting. The training we have yet to see :PRapidshot is gone for the
I'm fairly certain it had been stated by Mike Mearls or somebody else that advanced two weapon fighting rules would be available in future packets, and that the current rules for two weapon fighting were for everybody not specifically specialized in it. I'd say wait for future packets and see what happens. I have a feeling that the playtest is still in its infancy currently. At least, I hope it is, as I feel the game is largely incomplete.
I'm fairly certain it had been stated by Mike Mearls or somebody else that advanced two weapon fighting rules would be available in future packets, and that the current rules for two weapon fighting were for everybody not specifically specialized in
Well we got two weapon fighting, improve two weapon fighting, and greater two weapon fighting. What they going to fill between those threes, I don't know.
Sometimes, I even wonder if there a max lv 20 or even 30?
Well we got two weapon fighting, improve two weapon fighting, and greater two weapon fighting.What they going to fill between those threes, I don't know. Sometimes, I even wonder if there a max lv 20 or even 30?
There's a fighter maneuver to shoot multiple enemies, isn't there? And I assume that when the Ranger enters the playtest, there will be greater support for both archery and two-weapon fighting styles.
There's a fighter maneuver to shoot multiple enemies, isn't there? And I assume that when the Ranger enters the playtest, there will be greater support for both archery and two-weapon fighting styles.
i think while they are consoldiating manuevers they are putting rapid shot and TWF on hold, not removing it for good.
remember low level characters are not conan/worf/ronin/drizzt, they are those characters 5-10 years ago
TWF and rapid shot is hard, and should take time to master
how hard/many feats etc it takes time will tell, but the designers play/love the game too, they are well aware how many people like both options
there is cleave and volley for fighters, flurry of blows for monks, whirlwind attack for both - while there are not TWF they do allow some large spoonfuls of smackdown to be dished out
i think while they are consoldiating manuevers they are putting rapid shot and TWF on hold, not removing it for good.remember low level characters are not conan/worf/ronin/drizzt, they are those characters 5-10 years agoTWF and rapid shot is hard, an
I don't think rapid shot will be like 3.5 rapid shot (-2 to hit +1 attack) at least for a feat.
Getting sick of seeing 12 years of rapid shot abuse as it outclasses vitually every other archer feat.
I don't think rapid shot will be like 3.5 rapid shot (-2 to hit +1 attack) at least for a feat. Getting sick of seeing 12 years of rapid shot abuse as it outclasses vitually every other archer feat.
I don't think rapid shot will be like 3.5 rapid shot (-2 to hit +1 attack) at least for a feat.
Getting sick of seeing 12 years of rapid shot abuse as it outclasses vitually every other archer feat.
Rapid shot was a makeshift solution to make ranged characters even viable as damage dealers in 3.5e
I agree that rapid shot makes little sense. People who fire at twice (or more) the normal rates of competent archers is stupid.
Rapid shot was a makeshift solution to make ranged characters even viable as damage dealers in 3.5e[/quote]I agree that rapid shot makes little sense. People who fire at twice (or more) the normal rates of competent archers is stupid.
I don't think rapid shot will be like 3.5 rapid shot (-2 to hit +1 attack) at least for a feat.
Getting sick of seeing 12 years of rapid shot abuse as it outclasses vitually every other archer feat.
Rapid shot was a makeshift solution to make ranged characters even viable as damage dealers in 3.5e
I agree that rapid shot makes little sense. People who fire at twice (or more) the normal rates of competent archers is stupid.
Rapid shot was a makeshift solution to make ranged characters even viable as damage dealers in 3.5e[/quote]I agree that rapid shot makes little sense. People who fire at twice (or more) the normal rates of competent archers is stupid.[/quote]
I don't think rapid shot will be like 3.5 rapid shot (-2 to hit +1 attack) at least for a feat.
Getting sick of seeing 12 years of rapid shot abuse as it outclasses vitually every other archer feat.
I'd like to see bows provide 2 attacks per round again like they did in 2e. We don't need rapid shot. Specialization or the extra attack that the fighter class provides is good enough.
I'd like to see bows provide 2 attacks per round again like they did in 2e. We don't need rapid shot. Specialization or the extra attack that the fighter class provides is good enough.
I hope we are all talking about firing arrows in combat on moving targets…
a trained medieval archer could make about 10 aimed shots per minute. That is once per round.
I imagine that he could sacrifice some accuracy to double the fire rate. Or triple it if firing at at a large tight formation as he WOULD hit someone in it.
So first level rapid shot[feat] is plausible.
a trained medieval archer could make about 10 aimed shots per minute. That is once per round.I imagine that he could sacrifice some accuracy to double the fire rate. Or triple it if firing at at a large tight formation as he WOULD hit someone in it.S
I don't think rapid shot will be like 3.5 rapid shot (-2 to hit +1 attack) at least for a feat.
Getting sick of seeing 12 years of rapid shot abuse as it outclasses vitually every other archer feat.
Rapid shot was a makeshift solution to make ranged characters even viable as damage dealers in 3.5e
I agree that rapid shot makes little sense. People who fire at twice (or more) the normal rates of competent archers is stupid.
I agree.
Rapid shot was a makeshift solution to make ranged characters even viable as damage dealers in 3.5e[/quote]I agree that rapid shot makes little sense. People who fire at twice (or more) the normal rates of competent archers is stupid.[/quote]I agree.
I don't think rapid shot will be like 3.5 rapid shot (-2 to hit +1 attack) at least for a feat.
Getting sick of seeing 12 years of rapid shot abuse as it outclasses vitually every other archer feat.
Rapid shot was a makeshift solution to make ranged characters even viable as damage dealers in 3.5e
I agree that rapid shot makes little sense. People who fire at twice (or more) the normal rates of competent archers is stupid.
I agree.
What takes longer 2 shots with a bow or moving and attacking?
I wonder why AD&D gave bows 2 attacks per round? Was it based on realism?
Rapid shot was a makeshift solution to make ranged characters even viable as damage dealers in 3.5e[/quote]I agree that rapid shot makes little sense. People who fire at twice (or more) the normal rates of competent archers is stupid.[/quote]I agree.
The 2nd ed combat round was one minute and not 6 seconds so a bow firing twice a round wasn't that unrealistic and you could train yourself to fire it faster via specialisation. Also you didn't add dex to your damage with bows and the long sword was seen as an uber weapon (darts, daggers and bows were actually better).
3.0 was where the classic rapid shot originated. A the time fighters did not get the -1/+2 damage to hit off power attack and I think they underestimated how good bows would be due to being able ot full attack most of the time. The 3.0 power builds piled as many modifiers as they could to boost damage. The 3.0 cleric archer was very obscene as magic arrows and bows got to stack their enhancment bonuses in 2nd ed/3.0 but n0t in 3.5.
Pathfinder continues the rapid shot tradition and no surprise ranged attacks and two handed weapons are the best ones in that system.
Star Wars Saga had the best rapid shot IMHO. -2 to hit gain an extra dice of damage.
3.0, 3.5,Pathfinder Rapid shot (+10 damage just an example btw) 1d8+10/1d8+10
Star Wars Saga Rapid shot 2d8+10
+10 is kinfd of conservative. We broke the bard in 3.5 as one of the bard builds had the ability to grant +8 to hit and damage, used a bow herself and the rest of the party except for 1 were all archers. The bard alone was dealing over half the damge indirectly (+8 damage on each hit) and more like 70% as the PCs very rarely missed (+8 to hit). THis was at level 8. PCs then cast a haste spells for 4 attacks a round each.
Its the modifers you add to a bows damage that breaks it not the actual bow itself. More attacks and static modifers get nasty very fast (2nd ed dart specialist with gauntlets of ogre strength same theory).
The 2nd ed combat round was one minute and not 6 seconds so a bow firing twice a round wasn't that unrealistic and you could train yourself to fire it faster via specialisation. Also you didn't add dex to your damage with bows and the long sword was
If we get rid of minimum logic, we could rule that a warrior with more than 16 Strength can make an arrow explodes on impact and damage foes within 20 feet.
If we get rid of minimum logic, we could rule that a warrior with more than 16 Strength can make an arrow explodes on impact and damage foes within 20 feet.
