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6 months ago ::
Dec 03, 2012 - 9:28PM
#141
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I know I've boo-hooed alot about 5e, but I think I'm once again over it, for now.
One thing I can't help but see is how the 'Maneuvers' are basically very streamlined, very basic At-Will powers with simple, consistent mechanics. Spells remain Daily abilities as usual. Rogues appear to be likely to get powers more akin to 4e ones (cha vs wis to get teh desired effect). So, 4e is alive and well in 5e.
You essentially have martial classes with a (slowly) ever-widening array of at-will powers (and no dailies), and casters with a widening array of daily powers, and only a couple at-wills to see you thru occasions that don't call for a daily whammy. So far, no class yet has encounter powers, partly because there's no plausibility to an encounter power with this mode of description in most cases, unless you adopt the 4e "rare opportunity" notion. In which case, you are back to 4e, and why upgrade? Seems like what we are ending up with so far is a hybrid between 3.5 and 4e, ideally taking better of both worlds, and using a more literal, less cinematic/metagamey description of the world.
This also tacitly admits that 4e was not a total waste and that it doesn't need to be shunned by everyone who didn't care for it. The old school can benefit from the new, and we can in fact, all get along. The only question is getting the balance right.
Case in point, I am one of the anti-Vancianist types, but I can deal with a Wizard that only semi-preps their spells. It's not my favorite idea, but it gives me enough flexibility to play a Wizard the way I want to. It's close enough to get me to the table. Maybe there will be a module I can use to make it work more to my taste, and/or the refinements yet to come will hopefully make this bizarro halfsie-prep idea make more sense. I could see it with a cleric better, devoting themselves to a specific domian for the day or something. Doesn't conceptually make sense for a wizard as stated in the article (which I freely stipulate has yet to be revealed in draft form of course). I'm also interested to see how they handle Rogue powers.
Hope to see the new packet soon.
Yeah, its like they ripped the soul of why people like it out of 4E and are animating the remains with necromancy. For those that hated 4E, they can see that it looks like 4E all over it. For those that loved 4E it looks like a dead corpse walking around...
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6 months ago ::
Dec 03, 2012 - 9:29PM
#142
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See, this is why we need a [sarcasm] tag...
Your guys' reaction is bafflingly hostile... Seriously, none of you guys ever crack jokes about absurd possibilities?! It makes me sad to even have to explain myself...
(edited because my first response wasn't very nice. I'm a good guy, honest.)
Yeah, sorry, I wasn't trying to be hostile, just snarky. And it is best to clearly mark your comments as being sarcasm, a joke, or whatever. Because I can't see your face and I don't know your personality.
So don't be sad!
Yes, and use the smiley face. The smiley face solves everything.
Yep, I've had 33% less vacations since I started using them...
Yeah, and we love it when your not on vacation. That way we can watch you freak out and fill a thread at a 10 pages a day rate.
Hey, I don't have 12k posts for nothing...
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6 months ago ::
Dec 03, 2012 - 9:29PM
#143
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Yeah, and we love it when your not on vacation. That way we can watch you freak out and fill a thread at a 10 pages a day rate.
Nobody quite fills a thread like Lokiare....
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6 months ago ::
Dec 03, 2012 - 9:30PM
#144
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Yeah, and we love it when your not on vacation. That way we can watch you freak out and fill a thread at a 10 pages a day rate.
Nobody quite fills a thread like Lokiare....
That's just because he refuses to s-block the inevitbale quotesand we get mired in.
Why Mechanics-Alignment Integration is Bad
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so why even play a fighter if you can play the paladin the exact same way behaviorally and get added power to boot. "Paladin" is about accepting better game-enhancing mechanics at the price of more rigid in game behavior.
Really? So it goes something like this?
Fighter: "I want to be a paladin."
NPC: "Really?"
Fighter: "Yes."
NPC: "Very well." Starts reading from a holy book while still in-character "Do you accept having to choose and stick to the lawful good alignment, eventhough neither of us actually knows that it exists or what it is?"
Fighter: "I do."
NPC: "Do you reject good game balance because you accidentally rolled a high Charisma?"
Fighter: "What?"
NPC: "I don't know what it means either."
Fighter: "Oh. Umm, ok I do."
NPC: "In the name of all that is metagamey and broken, accept these better game enhancing mechanics."
Fighter: "These what?"
NPC: "Just get out there and try to fulfill a million different people's notion of good while not violating and part of any of them."
So the system is designed such that every single hit needs to be described to avoid confusion? Here's a scenario. The players are nudists, everybody in the world are nudists, it's not weird, it's totally normal in this land. They are naked and they fight drakes taking damage throughout, but healing up with surges. Later they meet the guy who raised the drakes.
Part 1: I didn't describe any of the hits. What does he see?
Part 2: Lets say I described the drakes as biting the players, yet they healed up. What does he see?
D20 Modern Toon PC Race.
Mecha Pilot's Skill Challenge Emporium.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 03, 2012 - 9:31PM
#145
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Yeah, and we love it when your not on vacation. That way we can watch you freak out and fill a thread at a 10 pages a day rate.
Nobody quite fills a thread like Lokiare....
Yeah, I post a couple times and everyone and their brother comes out and responds...
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6 months ago ::
Dec 03, 2012 - 9:47PM
#146
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Interesting overview from Mearls. Seems very promising. Looking forward to seeing the next packet!
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6 months ago ::
Dec 03, 2012 - 9:54PM
#147
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Hey, I don't have 12k posts for nothing...
Interesting, actually, that you've averaged somewhere in the vicinity of 8 or 9 posts every single day for the four years you've been a member of the board (using this particular screen name, specifically). The average is actually higher once you consider your other accounts.
For Garthanos and others the average is higher still.
When do y'all find time to, you know, actually play the game? 
EDIT: This post was not meant as a jab. I've only just now put into perspective the central role D&D serves in the lives of others and gained a bit of insight into why it seems so serious to some. -- Breakthrough moment.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 03, 2012 - 10:00PM
#148
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Hey, I don't have 12k posts for nothing...
Interesting, actually, that you've averaged somewhere in the vicinity of 8 or 9 posts every single day for the four years you've been a member of the board (using this particular screen name, specifically). The average is actually higher once you consider your other accounts.
For Garthanos and others the average is higher still.
When do y'all find time to, you know, actually play the game?
heh... me posts are pretty small more like quickies in an extended conversation. I have an obcession with game philosophy and I cheat I grew me some players (who are better at it than I).
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6 months ago ::
Dec 03, 2012 - 10:04PM
#149
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Date Joined:
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Hey, I don't have 12k posts for nothing...
Interesting, actually, that you've averaged somewhere in the vicinity of 8 or 9 posts every single day for the four years you've been a member of the board (using this particular screen name, specifically). The average is actually higher once you consider your other accounts.
For Garthanos and others the average is higher still.
When do y'all find time to, you know, actually play the game?
heh... me posts are pretty small more like quickies in an extended conversation. I have an obcession with game philosophy and I cheat I grew me some players (who are better at it than I).
LOL Quickie responses, sure, but there's a lot of reading and consideration involved, which is the true time sink.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 03, 2012 - 10:13PM
#150
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Date Joined:
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Hey, I don't have 12k posts for nothing...
Interesting, actually, that you've averaged somewhere in the vicinity of 8 or 9 posts every single day for the four years you've been a member of the board (using this particular screen name, specifically). The average is actually higher once you consider your other accounts.
For Garthanos and others the average is higher still.
When do y'all find time to, you know, actually play the game?
heh... me posts are pretty small more like quickies in an extended conversation. I have an obcession with game philosophy and I cheat I grew me some players (who are better at it than I).
LOL Quickie responses, sure, but there's a lot of reading and consideration involved, which is the true time sink.
Stream of conciousness responces sometimes lack, ummm as much consideration as they ought to entail.  I probably spent more energy on a recent poetry thread than a month on other threads...
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