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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 11:13AM
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I don't particularly like the evocative phrases for names, but those are some very cool abilities.
Based on what I have heard, actual History indicates in europe prior to fencing gaining prominance.... things like "boars rush" would be how those who wrote the books about fighting named combat moves.
You have touched on my point. That is true In history and in europe, but all settings aren't modeled off these places. I think we can both agree that fluff is mutable? I just prefer the maneuvers be more generic so that they don't carry any additional bag. They can be fluffed to something more interesting as need anyway.
The maneuver names may have even been more fluffy in the orient. Atleast anime implies it 
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 11:15AM
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The maneuver names may have even been more fluffy in the orient. Atleast anime implies it
lol. Okay, now your just being difficult 
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 2:06PM
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The maneuver names may have even been more fluffy in the orient. Atleast anime implies it
lol. Okay, now your just being difficult
Reflavoring something to suit your game is possible no matter how flowery or animistic or droll and ahem boringly functional it is... there is fairly real world cases for the fencing guys who go down to pretty mundane names but even theres are kind of jargon. Invitation is a fencing name for "False Opening" and is analogous to "Come and Get It" but less fantasy extreme.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 2:24PM
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The maneuver names may have even been more fluffy in the orient. Atleast anime implies it
lol. Okay, now your just being difficult
Reflavoring something to suit your game is possible no matter how flowery or animistic or droll and ahem boringly functional it is... there is fairly real world cases for the fencing guys who go down to pretty mundane names but even theres are kind of jargon. Invitation is a fencing name for "False Opening" and is analogous to "Come and Get It" but less fantasy extreme.
I see that those are things that make you prefer them. I'm saying that the reason that you are using to explain why you like them, are the reason that lead me to not liking them. I prefer the more muted names and terms to the catch phase or flowery names. I would rather see a manuever named Lure then It's a Trap!
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 2:46PM
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You have touched on my point. That is true In history and in europe, but all settings aren't modeled off these places. I think we can both agree that fluff is mutable? I just prefer the maneuvers be more generic so that they don't carry any additional bag. They can be fluffed to something more interesting as need anyway.
Uh, the East too? Japanese swordmasters had AMAZING names for their various moves and schools of fighting, the more flowery and evocative the better. And China loved that sort of stuff as well. Miyamoto Musashi, one of the most practical swordsmen ever to live, had the following techniques he invented (from Wikipedia):
Crimson-Leaves Strike
Autumn Monkey's Body
Blow Like a Spark from a Stone
Body of Lacquer and Paste
Chance-Opening Blow
Strike of Non-thought Evocative names are the norm. Boring names are... boring.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 2:51PM
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Evocative names are the norm. Boring names are... boring.
They have slightly less precident.. but boring is alive and well in real life to... Parry 6
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 3:09PM
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You have touched on my point. That is true In history and in europe, but all settings aren't modeled off these places. I think we can both agree that fluff is mutable? I just prefer the maneuvers be more generic so that they don't carry any additional bag. They can be fluffed to something more interesting as need anyway.
Uh, the East too? Japanese swordmasters had AMAZING names for their various moves and schools of fighting, the more flowery and evocative the better. And China loved that sort of stuff as well. Miyamoto Musashi, one of the most practical swordsmen ever to live, had the following techniques he invented (from Wikipedia):
Crimson-Leaves Strike
Autumn Monkey's Body
Blow Like a Spark from a Stone
Body of Lacquer and Paste
Chance-Opening Blow
Strike of Non-thought
Evocative names are the norm. Boring names are... boring.
I'm pretty sure that the East fall well inside the HISTORY part of my statement. However, Garthanos quote that I responded to didn't say east; He/She used the terms History and Europe and I responded to the quote so jumping on this whole East is mind boggling to me...
When I look in the packet I don't see flower names for fighter, I see them for Monk. I looked at what has been presented in the packets to this point and tried to format things as I have seen them in the packet. I preferred to use more generic terms, because I felt that just like the fighter, warlord covers a lot of ground conceptually, so generic terms are a better fit IMO.
My statement of my preference is in no way my trying to make a judgement on your preference. I thought I used clear language to demonstrate it was stating my preferred choice. Sorry if it came off otherwise.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 5:06PM
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Personally i think the fighter needs as much personality as he can get. Full flower ahead.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 16, 2012 - 5:25PM
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You have touched on my point. That is true In history and in europe, but all settings aren't modeled off these places. I think we can both agree that fluff is mutable? I just prefer the maneuvers be more generic so that they don't carry any additional bag. They can be fluffed to something more interesting as need anyway.
Uh, the East too? Japanese swordmasters had AMAZING names for their various moves and schools of fighting, the more flowery and evocative the better. And China loved that sort of stuff as well. Miyamoto Musashi, one of the most practical swordsmen ever to live, had the following techniques he invented (from Wikipedia):
Crimson-Leaves Strike
Autumn Monkey's Body
Blow Like a Spark from a Stone
Body of Lacquer and Paste
Chance-Opening Blow
Strike of Non-thought
Evocative names are the norm. Boring names are... boring.
I'm pretty sure that the East fall well inside the HISTORY part of my statement. However, Garthanos quote that I responded to didn't say east; He/She used the terms History and Europe and I responded to the quote so jumping on this whole East is mind boggling to me...
I rather mentioned that European history in part because it agrees with the Eastern (it seems like everbody knows that about the eastern) but rather the fact that knights did martial take downs and had an elaborate art form including fancy schmancy names and moves involving grabbing your own blade and swinging around your enemy like they were a dancing pole, (and I seem to recall the portrayal of Lancelot in Excaliber is one of the first Cinema pieces that gave it a shot )...
Seems to be something you have to explain.
Preferences aside evocative is authentic... I like evocative spells too.. and "magic missile" should be dropped in a pit some where.
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