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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 8:11AM
#51
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I think that, if 1st level Wizards aren't called "Apprentices" and 1st level Paladins aren't called "Squires", I think it's safe to assume that 1st level PCs have a bit of experience behind them, and have earned their titles. WARLORD, baby!
Yes, most definitely!!!!!!!! Warlord for the Win!
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 9:58AM
#52
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The big problem of making a class through a base class + specialty is that you then limit people. They have to take that specialty to play the core concept they want to play. No wiggle room.
Isn't that what specialties are supposed to be doing? The "wiggle room" is ignoring the specialty and just picking some odd feat a la carte.
Just give Warlord its own maneuver set. That should cover it well enough.
The Warlord is a broad concept with plenty of wiggle room in it conceptually. That wiggle room should be mirrored mechanicaly. Warlords do a lot of stuff a set of manuvers wouldn't be able to cover everything they are supposed to be doing. Manuvers would be a great part of the class but like the rogue they couldn't just be manuvers.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 10:11AM
#53
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Ranks shouldn't be d&d classes. That should be reserved for prestige classes. The fighter should also be likely to be any of those. If the name is changed it needs to be something specific and not something you could see a fighter becoming at some point (I. E. No military titles)
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 10:20AM
#54
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I don't really agree Nights. A rogue or a cleric might be called fighters in the game world. Wizard, sorcereer, enchanter, warlock, mage and sage are all fairly interchangable terms really. The title of the class shouldn't be restricted to what someone might be called in the game world.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 10:23AM
#55
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I really think that the name Warlord is fine as-is.
If, for some strange reason, they decided to go back to name-levels (which I highly doubt), then I could see altering the name to enter into the class further down the level-line. Since a typical "warlord" by definition is simply little more than a military commander, they could do the Warlord class by rank:
Greek Style
Level 1-2: Hoplite (common soldier)
Level 3-4: Hoplomachos (drill sergeant/instructor)
Level 5-6: Lokhagos (company leader)
Level 7-8: Ilarchos (heavy cavalry unit commander)
Level 9-10: Tetrarches (leader of 4 units)
Level 11-12: Dekarchos (leader of 10 units)
Level 13-14: Tagmatarches (battalion leader)
Level 15-16: Syntagmatarchis (regiment leader)
Level 17-18: Taxiarchos (high general)
Level 19-20: Warlord (Polemarchos or Strategos)
I had to, of course, take a few liberties with the greek rank-and-file, as they had so many that were called so many different things throughout the years.
In fond memory of Mark "Wrecan" Monack.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 10:30AM
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While I have no desire to see all the silly level titles return, I do think it important to note that the 1st edition class names were the names a class member called himself when he reached 9th level. That's when you were a "wizard" or a "high priest" or a "paladin" or a "druid". So we need to keep in mind that a 1st level warlord is really just a guy who, when he reaches ninth level, will be recognizable as a warlord. So I think the "how can a 1st level warlord be called a warlord" is kind of silly. So if we went back to level names, the warlord might go alongside the AD&D classes as so:
| Level |
Cleric |
Druid |
Paladin |
Fighter |
Ranger |
| 1 |
Acolyte |
Aspirant |
Gallant |
Veteran |
Runner |
| 2 |
Adept |
Ovate |
Keeper |
Warrior |
Strider |
| 3 |
Priest |
Initiate of the 1st Circle |
Protector |
Swordsman |
Scout |
| 4 |
Curate |
Initiate of the 2nd Circle |
Defender |
Hero |
Courser |
| 5 |
Curate |
Initiate of the 3rd Circle |
Warder |
Swashbuckler |
Tracker |
| 6 |
Canon |
Initiate of the 4th Circle |
Guardian |
Myrmidon |
Guide |
| 7 |
Lama |
Initiate of the 5th Circle |
Chevalier |
Champion |
Pathfinder |
| 8 |
Patriarch |
Initiate of the 6th Circle |
Justiciar |
Superhero |
Ranger |
| 9 |
High Priest |
Initiate of the 7th Circle
(Druid is 12th level) |
Paladin |
Lord |
Ranger Knight |
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Magic-User |
Illusionist |
Thief |
Assassin |
Monk |
| 1 |
Prestidigitator |
Prestidigitator |
Rogue (Apprentice) |
Bravo (Apprentice) |
Novice |
| 2 |
Evoker |
Minor Trickster |
Footpad |
Rutterkin |
Initiate |
| 3 |
Conjurer |
Trickster |
Cutpurse |
Waghalter |
Brother |
| 4 |
Theurgist |
Master Trickster |
Robber |
Murderer |
Disciple |
| 5 |
Thaumaturgist |
Cabalist |
Burglar |
Thug |
Immaculate |
| 6 |
Magician |
Visionist |
Filcher |
Killer |
Master |
| 7 |
Enchanter |
Phantasmist |
Sharper |
Cutthroat |
Superior Master |
| 8 |
Warlock |
Apparitionist |
Magsman |
Executioner |
Master of Dragons |
| 9 |
Sorcerer
(Wizard was 11th level) |
Spellbinder
(Illusionist was 10th level) |
Thief |
Assassin |
So let's give warlord...
- Advisor
- Tactician
- Strategist
- Leader
- Chief
- Commander
- Grandmaster
- Marshal
- Warlord
Done.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 10:40AM
#57
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I really think that the name Warlord is fine as-is.
If, for some strange reason, they decided to go back to name-levels (which I highly doubt), then I could see altering the name to enter into the class further down the level-line. Since a typical "warlord" by definition is simply little more than a military commander, they could do the Warlord class by rank:
Greek Style
Level 1-2: Hoplite (common soldier)
Level 3-4: Hoplomachos (drill sergeant/instructor)
Level 5-6: Lokhagos (company leader)
Level 7-8: Ilarchos (heavy cavalry unit commander)
Level 9-10: Tetrarches (leader of 4 units)
Level 11-12: Dekarchos (leader of 10 units)
Level 13-14: Tagmatarches (battalion leader)
Level 15-16: Syntagmatarchis (regiment leader)
Level 17-18: Taxiarchos (high general)
Level 19-20: Warlord (Polemarchos or Strategos)
I had to, of course, take a few liberties with the greek rank-and-file, as they had so many that were called so many different things throughout the years.
Cool thanks for that.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 12:29PM
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The best way to mimic fantasy is to make it a feat based prestigue class that almost any class could take.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 12:33PM
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While I have no desire to see all the silly level titles return, I do think it uimportant to note that the 1st edition class names were the names a class member called himself when he reached 9th level. That's when you were a "wizard" or a "high priest" or a "paladin" or a "druid".
Did anybody ever actually do that? I can't recall anybody EVER doing that.
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
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7 months ago ::
Nov 12, 2012 - 12:48PM
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1st edition class names were the names a class member called himself when he reached 9th level. That's when you were a "wizard" or a "high priest" or a "paladin" or a "druid".
Did anybody ever actually do that?
Yes.
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