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8 months ago ::
Oct 10, 2012 - 6:19AM
#81
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Forget what you assume are my sick twisted needs, thats your own demons talking. If you need a game of singing trees and skipping elves to help you deal with your damaged psyche fine.
All the things you mention are the REAL after effects of what happens when a loved king starts a campagin to raise a crusade into the holy lands. Its not fantasy, its history.
All I want is the slider on my game to be able to go deeper into the real than the game you want to run. Thats it. its not perverse its not wrong its just prefrence.
How is my desire to run a more realistic game, with a more realistic world, and my desire to have realistic rules for the worst aspects of human nature going to ruin your game where such rules can easily be ignored, or such rules must be bought as a supplement?
I've already worked on the SED unit (serverly emotionally disturbed) ward of a mental hospital on and off for four years, and I've seen and heard the worst that humanity has to offer, your little stories arent frightening to me, and my tower is far more dark than ivory.
"The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules." Gygax
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8 months ago ::
Oct 10, 2012 - 8:16AM
#82
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Ok, let's try and make this simple.
1. I agree with baal in that I would like to see much of what you are asking for. As long as it is a supplement. Which is a concession I think you seem to be ok with.
2. What's with these competing horror stories? You can't trust the other is telling the truth any more then you could believe me if I claimed to be a syrian rebel (spoiler: I'm not).
3. Baal, you want us to convince you why you should care about things like DnD's image with the public? Let's try this, WotC knows its target demographics, they know what they need to do to try and make a game most of us will like. Their willingness to scrape ideas or add things when we complain proves this. If WotC ignores. The PC social climate of today then they look bad, they lose money and then they fail to bring DnD back to anything even mildly reminiscint of popular. If DnD fails then you donMt have a game to play, except for what you already own and can continue to happily play regardless of what WotC does. you. Manage to write a third party BoVD I might actually be one to buy it. But deciding all you care about is what will make the game good for you alone is anti-thetical to the idea of what DDN is supposed to be. Everyone will have to make some sort of concession, at least yours might be something you can add in to DDN just as easily as you would have to ADnD.
4. Everyone else against Baal, what is with the hyperbole? Half the stuff you acuse him of wanting he hasn't mentioned. (Whether he actually does want rules on screaming virgins I can't say) but atleast try abd act appropriatly civil. The rest of these boards have figured out how to respectfully disagree. (Mostly) you guys here are all stuck somewhere in Meliore it would seem.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 10, 2012 - 8:32AM
#83
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How about no, how about we make gaming so acceptable that there is no social stigmata against it at all? Make tabletop gaming as socally acceptable as videogaming, a lot of people do it and videogamers are as broad of a spectrum as any other hobby.
Gaming should be about acceptance and openness not "lets go in the corner and play games that exclude.
With that said, there are places for "adult" games. much like every other hobby. but that shouldnt mean that every game should. there is a game for a song aof fire and ice? good does D&D need to emulate it now? probably not.
if anything D&D should try to become that all encompasing gateway game that leads people to more games, and it can only do that if it doenst try to become an outsider.
 Never Point a loaded party at a plot you are not willing to shoot. Arcane Rhetoric. My Blog.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 10, 2012 - 9:22AM
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No, I do not need rules for screaming virgins... I like Sparticus, I liked Troy, I liked 300 and am looking forward to the sequil, when I invision whats going on in combat thats what I'm imagining. I understand if other people want to see a tiny cut and somebody falls over, etc. ok, but I'd actually like to get some realistic combat rules in there... its always bugged me a bit that an ork can chop away at somebody like 40 times knock em to negitives, and they suffer nothing for that (no disablement, no problems just getting healed popping up and goin back to fightin.)
regarding the openess of D&D... I've played in a lot of different DM's games, no two were alike (assuming they wernt focusing on some adventure path or something, honestly I try and avoid non-sandbox games) and thats kind of the beauty of 5e its supposed to let us ALL do what we want and I know there are a lot of people out there who share some of my desires for 5e and entertainment choices.
about videogames... there are some flagship games but for the mostpart the market is open, if were looking at fantasy MMO's its WoW... and I hate WoW... and AOC did nothing for me but annoy the crap out of me with all its bugs. if anything that is acceptable in a videogame is acceptable for a rule in D&D we got no problems.. ya ever play mafia? how bout GTA, how bout "the godfather" how bout any one of the "real crime" games... everyting I mentioned is going on in those, and parents still buy them for their kids completely ignoring the "mature" lable. did you even recognize whats on the ESRB for Halo?
MATURE
Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language
and thats all that I'm looking for as a supplement to D&D, intense rather than cartoon violence, blood and gore, some sexual content, and strong language suitable for a 17 yr old.
@ahern- good points, I'm very torn on the whole "gotta make da moolah or the game will die" idea... I saw what happened with 4e as the perfect example of what happens when you decide to go for money, try and make a game only for mass appeal, and how it can corrupt an entire system and company. not saying anything about the mechanics really, just that there was a severe disconnect between the previous editions of the game, and 4e, and there wasnt any sort of effort or concessions to bring along their core grognards. now their seeing the error of their ways and trying to make a game for everybody, I still dont know if I'm going to love or hate what they end up with, but your right, if somebody doesnt print up the rules I want, I probablly will.
"The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules." Gygax
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8 months ago ::
Oct 10, 2012 - 9:45AM
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I can understand reservations to the "make money or die" scenario. And I don't mean to say DDN is the make or break edition. But each "failed" edition means that the next one has to do even better. I think a main difference between 4E (my preferred edition) and DDN is WotC tried to make money with 4E. DDN they still want to make the money but they realized they can't do that by focusing on that goal. So now they are focusing on making people happy, assuming that if they succeed they will make the money they need.
And just for fairness sake. I already called others on hyperbole with things like screaming virgins, but your being just as bad saying everyone else wants little cuts and skipping orcs. I don't imagine sparticus in my DnD games, but I don't imagine looney toons either.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 10, 2012 - 9:54AM
#86
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Easy answer. Release Ravenloft after the 5e Forgotten Realms base game comes out.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 10, 2012 - 10:53AM
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about videogames... there are some flagship games but for the mostpart the market is open, if were looking at fantasy MMO's its WoW... and I hate WoW... and AOC did nothing for me but annoy the crap out of me with all its bugs. if anything that is acceptable in a videogame is acceptable for a rule in D&D we got no problems.. ya ever play mafia? how bout GTA, how bout "the godfather" how bout any one of the "real crime" games... everyting I mentioned is going on in those, and parents still buy them for their kids completely ignoring the "mature" lable. did you even recognize whats on the ESRB for Halo?
A few points, yes, video games are full of an extremely wide varity of games. everything from farmville to GTA and everything inbetween and on either side. And that in itself is a huge point. I dont look at halo and complain that there is not enough 1900's pulp action like mafia or the godfather. I dont complain that GTA doesnt have enough farmville in it. The same point can be made for the most part for TTRPGs.
Yes, TTRPGs are much more flexable and there are some very good examples of using one game to substitude for a genera it was not intended for but it's always better to play a game that is designed for the feel you are going for.
You complain about "cartoony" combat. That is a side effect of the HP system that D&D has traditionally used.
Can D&D be used in any kind of genera or setting? Yes of course! is it the best choice? maybe for you but for me, Hell No! Personally D&D is crappy for horror, there are much better games out there that can evoke the feel of horror much better then D&D.
what does this mean? Well, IMO D&D while it's possible to play any game or genera, D&D itself should not be a GURPS, it should carve out it's own niche and do what it does the best, Heroic Fantasy.
Never Point a loaded party at a plot you are not willing to shoot. Arcane Rhetoric. My Blog.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 10, 2012 - 11:47AM
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Convince you that we don't need to spend space in the core book on torture rules?
You ever seen a kid get lit on fire? You heard their screams, smelled the stench of smoldering hair and then flesh, seen their parents rush to them just to get thrown down and forced to watch?
It loses a lot of it's magical appeal once you're not living in your ivory tower.
So no, it doesn't shock me when some sheltered person plays out their torture fetishes in front of me. It doesn't make me want to watch, it isn't so horrible you can't look away, it's so horrible you look away, but you can never block out the sound. The reek of the charred body never leaves the nostrils. Nothing, no amount of "justice" ever makes it go away.
But no, I can't convince you that there doesn't need to be mechanics for how to keep a victim alive while you slowly dismember them. You obviously will need, for your gaming pleasure, rules for what the saving throw is to avoid waking up screaming for a decade after witnessing some act of atrocity. For you to gain your thrill, you need to have some standardized system to tell you, mechanically, how loud the virgin screams as you rape her, and what the chances are she will commit suicide afterwards.
You want torture porn, fine. I may not like Saw, but everyone else is free to watch it.
But it's not common fare. You want to force feed your sick fantasies on the whole game. This is material that doesn't belong in the core books. Just like rules for menstration. It's not relevant to day to day adventuring. You want a game where you get to explore your darkest desires that you've been priviledged enough never to encounter in person. Find a gaming group and have fun. There are plenty of game systems custom made to cater to that sort of lust. Don't game in homes with children if it's an issue.
But you ask if this will ruin the game for other players.
You've already gotten enough response in this thread to indicate it will. But you don't care.
This is just about your very personal gratification. Your need to offend, and your need to play at horrors you can only imagine.
Bravo!
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8 months ago ::
Oct 10, 2012 - 1:45PM
#89
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- VCL Emeritus
- The Inquisitor
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Howdy folks, This thread is sailing dangerous waters. Discussion of illegal activities and religion are both against the Code of Conduct. The thread will now be closed. Thanks.
Quentin Small
WotC Online Community Coordinator
All around helpful simian
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