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8 months ago ::
Oct 06, 2012 - 2:32PM
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The super-adult stuff should only be added if it goes towards making the theme of what it's in better, or only if it fits/relates to the theme. It should not be added just for the sake of it being in there.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 06, 2012 - 3:18PM
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Baalbmoth, you will nor that what for reprinted were new mechanics, none of it related to actually playing evil characters, torture, incest, or the other material you've expressed admiration for in this thread.
It simply won't happen in D&D. Good.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 06, 2012 - 3:21PM
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you guys got any thoughts on this? will there be another "book of vile darkness" or have we seen the end of adult themed D&D books?
I certainly hope so. The so-called 'mature/adult' books were invariably the most immature, childish, rancid things I'd ever encountered.
If you want to play F.A.T.A.L., go play F.A.T.A.L.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 06, 2012 - 4:10PM
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Its interesting that almost no one here is saying "well maybe there can be something like that for you, as a module" when more and more of us are slowly moving towards that attitude for everything else. I don't want DnD to be what the OP describes. But I don't see a book directed at giving fluff and mechanics to the stuff the OP talks about. Drugs, torture, advice on running evil campaigns/PCs/NPCs, etc etc.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 06, 2012 - 4:12PM
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Just responding to the OP: I agree, D&D had that real stigma attached to it. They even went so far as to get rid of all overt mention of demons and devils from 2e (course they showed up but their role was significantly reduced). I remember when my mom told me she mentioned that all we wanted for christmas were D&D books to her coworkers and they got really funny with her. And I think D&D can and should have a mature undertone. It's a mature game that requires maturity to play successfully. The groups got to work together socially outside the game to make the game work in play, everyone's got to be big enough to set some of their own preferences aside to make the game work. That's mature behaviour. This isn't really a kid's game, basically. But I don't think WOTC/Hasbro has the balls to do it. I think they'll chicken out on that front and try to keep the game "for kids" and it'll be up to the players to bring the maturity back into it. I'm sure that maturity will be worked in by the fan base because we're mature people and enough of us aren't shy about dealing with mature content in a table top rpg. And that's probably OK. High fantasy isn't especially gritty stuff, and apart from the plate mail bikini most of the conventions are pretty tame. I don't really want to see a D&D book that's got some kind of ultragoth dark fantasy theme in its artwork 'cause that's not really D&D to me, but it'd be nice if they didn't shy away from the nasty stuff when it's called for, like a supplement on the nine hells or a necronomicon sort of supplement should be pretty grim stuff.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 06, 2012 - 4:14PM
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As an aside, one thing I've never been very comfortable with is sexual stuff in game. My basic level of involvement with D&D sexual encounters is to have the player in question roll a fort save to see if they get the clap.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 06, 2012 - 8:16PM
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you guys got any thoughts on this? will there be another "book of vile darkness" or have we seen the end of adult themed D&D books?
I certainly hope so. The so-called 'mature/adult' books were invariably the most immature, childish, rancid things I'd ever encountered.
If you want to play F.A.T.A.L., go play F.A.T.A.L.
This.
Essentially the way I look at it is that there can be ways to use gore, sex, drugs, more truely evil stuff, and other "mature" things, in D&D. In fact I've ran many a campaign which touch upon stuff along this vein, but the way it seems to me, is that a DM and gaming group mature enough to know when this type of stuff works, and how to make this type of stuff work, doesn't need a book for it.
I am currently raising funds to run for President in 2016. Too many administrations have overlooked the international menace, that is Carmen Sandiego. I shall devote any and all necessary military resources to bring her to justice.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 07, 2012 - 12:37AM
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sex has a place in D&D just as much as violence, I agree with Lokiron that sex makes people uncomfortable around a gaming table, makes me a bit too which I already stated is why I dont get graphic in its description but...
ancient societies punnished prostitution and adultery, often with death... why? because the behivior led to people having sex outside of wedlock, often with forigners or military who often carried diseases. These diseases with no antibiotics or treatments were a serious threat to a small community. from that you get wacky cults and outragous religions and the view of sex itself being evil.
incest has been mentioned as well, anybody see the mini-series "Rome" royals and affluent familes seemed to engage in it quite often, and yes it was severly looked down on. it could also provide story hooks and plots as it does in Game of Thrones.
saying if sex is in any way a part of a plot your game, your really playing F.A.T.A.L is ignorant and stupid.
its kinda funny, everyone here is saying they are ok with almost silly levels of graphic gore and violence, but having a king cheating on his wife with a succubus from the evil church down the street means your a sick pervert who should be playing F.A.T.A.L the rape rpg... seriously whats wrong with you guys?
"The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules." Gygax
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8 months ago ::
Oct 07, 2012 - 12:39AM
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I, for one, do not particularly care to have my hobby a source of scorn and derision again.
It's Dungeons and Dragons, not Debasement and Deviltry.
If people want/need rules for whether their character is good in the sack, then sure, make a little splat book for them.
The same for the people who want/need rules for nipple piercings and conditioning behaviour through torture.
I'd rather be able to play/run my Heroic Adventure game without wasting page after page on how eating disorders are a Vile Feat, or what the gestation time for an Elf raped by an Orc would be, and what the chances of conception are besides...
I have other games I can spend time and money on.
One that deals with the mature themes of duty, self-sacrifice, personal advancement vs upholding the well-being of your family or society, and the virtues of social stability weighed against freedom and truth.
So, no, I won't be buying FATAL, nor will I be buying FATAL if it has a D&D logo.
I have an answer for you, it may even be the truth.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 07, 2012 - 12:49AM
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kadim- yeah AD&D had rotting corpses all over the place, demon lords, full frontal succubi, but it had an age rating of 9 and above... lol. I think its always been the worst kept secrete that D&D says its for kids, but really its got a lot of adult (or heck juvinile) subject matter, and your right, I think the balls on this donkey are about the size of BBs and they wont risk anything that could pull any controversy, but one can hope.
side note, somebody was saying that D&D does not want to try and compete with videogames etc? thats a lot of hogwash, 4e was all based around the VTT getting up and running so it could directly compete with WOW. and regardless of the subject matter if your going after kids and teens, your in competition for their time and interest, so yes D&D is in competition with X-box, all video games, etc.
which is another thing I find funny... people seem totally ok with their kids playing mature rated videogames like Halo, MoH, assassins creed, dishonored, borderlands or GTA (with the prostitution murder killing innocents and endless profanity) but even suggest that an RPG may contain even a smiddgion of the same sort of material and suddenly your a threat to society. wtf?
so Verd- so does that mean all reproduction in your game happens by asexual budding, IE if an elf and a orc accidentally bump into eachother somebody's pregnant? theres no such thing as marrage in your world or having children? is it like people are assumed to be having sex but if you have a PC that wants to marry and have kids with an NPC then you have to plug your ears, close your eyes, and start yelling "NA NA NA I'M NOT HEARING THIS IM NOT HEARING THIS!!!!"
"The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules." Gygax
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