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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 3:20AM
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Hello,
I just finished to read the second play test package.
During our several games with the first package, I have noticed the radiant lance to be extremly powerfull. So I did the maths...
Radiant lance : a standard cleric to hit : +5, damage 1d8+4.
Magic missile : always hit, damage 1d4+1
VS a creature with an AC of 15 or less the radiant lance is more powerfull. And at low level (my first playtests) the monsters had low AC.
Suggestion : Radiant lance should do 1d8 of damage vs all creature and +4 (or more) vs the one vulnerable to radiant (demon and undead). The cleric would become the undead worst foe and not a goblin slayer...
(I m french so my english is not perfect, sorry)
Xavier
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11 months ago ::
Aug 14, 2012 - 2:28PM
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Date Joined:
Jul 30, 2012
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I wish they'd go back to using +Ability Mod on spells, rather than bonuses of +1, +4, ... They just seem random and arbitrary.
"Utinam barbari spatium proprium tuum invadant!"
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11 months ago ::
Aug 16, 2012 - 12:55AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 26, 2007
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I get the feeling they are not sure what to do with magic missle yet. In the last packet, it was complained that it became to strong. In this packet, it sure seems to be a bit weak. Granted, it can kill weak monsters in one hit, but does not help alot when fighting those monsters with 40-80 HPs. I would like to see an ability to put magic missle in high level slots, and then get higher level missles. So, spend a 3rd levels spell slot to get a magick missle that makes 3 missles, each doing 1d4+1.
As for ability mods as spell bonuses, I am kind of like that they are not tied to spell damge (at least, most of the time). It means clerics don't have to spread their scores so thin, which often meant that to be the best cleric you can be meant dumping your states into wisdom and cha and being a spell based cleric, instead of a holy warhammer weilding crusader for your diety. Same for wizards, if the damage is tied to intelegence then you will allways see 18 in human wizards. but now, well, maybe its worth shuffling some of your points into wisdom to spot danger, or to dex to improve init, since your int mod just sets you save DC and how many spells you get each time you level. I suppose though that it is not a huge deal to me either way.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 16, 2012 - 6:18AM
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I get the feeling they are not sure what to do with magic missle yet. In the last packet, it was complained that it became to strong.
Magic missile was strong because it scaled. You got 2 missiles at level 3, and nothing else went up (except sneak attack).
At level 1, it was fine.
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11 months ago ::
Aug 16, 2012 - 12:07PM
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Date Joined:
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I get the feeling they are not sure what to do with magic missle yet. In the last packet, it was complained that it became to strong. In this packet, it sure seems to be a bit weak. Granted, it can kill weak monsters in one hit, but does not help alot when fighting those monsters with 40-80 HPs. I would like to see an ability to put magic missle in high level slots, and then get higher level missles. So, spend a 3rd levels spell slot to get a magick missle that makes 3 missles, each doing 1d4+1.
As for ability mods as spell bonuses, I am kind of like that they are not tied to spell damge (at least, most of the time). It means clerics don't have to spread their scores so thin, which often meant that to be the best cleric you can be meant dumping your states into wisdom and cha and being a spell based cleric, instead of a holy warhammer weilding crusader for your diety. Same for wizards, if the damage is tied to intelegence then you will allways see 18 in human wizards. but now, well, maybe its worth shuffling some of your points into wisdom to spot danger, or to dex to improve init, since your int mod just sets you save DC and how many spells you get each time you level. I suppose though that it is not a huge deal to me either way.
So would you be okay with, say...
"When you cast this spell, you may use a spell slot of up to 4th level. If you do, this spell creates a number of additional missiles equal to the spell slot used."
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