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12 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 12:20PM
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Publishing apps is a great idea. Games Workshop has already made a step in the right direction publishing all their material, including rules and armybooks as documents for iPad. Character Builder as an iPhone app? I'd pay for that, even pay a sub if they require! Compendium app? That would be a godsend! One of the biggest reasons I don't buy books anymore is because it's just physically difficult to carry many books to the game.
I agree that real apps would be great but what I meant was use the App Store model for real modules both electronic and paper. Basically you have to get everything you want to have published preapproved and you have to give WOTC a percentage of the profit from sales.
The App Store Model Concept
1. Everything has to be approved by WOTC before it can be sold. (This prevents Pathfinder Games but allows other stuff)
2. A percent goes to WOTC of everything preapproved. (This pays for the approval process and makes money.)
3. WOTC sells everything through the wizards website. (More stuff sells more core books and gets more DDi subscriptions).
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12 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 1:28PM
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Publishing apps is a great idea. Games Workshop has already made a step in the right direction publishing all their material, including rules and armybooks as documents for iPad. Character Builder as an iPhone app? I'd pay for that, even pay a sub if they require! Compendium app? That would be a godsend! One of the biggest reasons I don't buy books anymore is because it's just physically difficult to carry many books to the game.
I agree that real apps would be great but what I meant was use the App Store model for real modules both electronic and paper. Basically you have to get everything you want to have published preapproved and you have to give WOTC a percentage of the profit from sales.
The App Store Model Concept
1. Everything has to be approved by WOTC before it can be sold. (This prevents Pathfinder Games but allows other stuff)
2. A percent goes to WOTC of everything preapproved. (This pays for the approval process and makes money.)
3. WOTC sells everything through the wizards website. (More stuff sells more core books and gets more DDi subscriptions).
This could work realy well. The model is proved succesful. They would have to hire some people to deal with it, but there will always be 3rd party interested in converting stuff.
+1 on suporting all editions and printing on demand.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 5:09PM
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I honestly don't want to have to pirate it.
This is the sort of sentiment that really needs to be noticed. When the pirates are on the verge of providing better service than your company, that should be a wakeup call.
I don't understand that. Why is THAT the attitude? "I can't get it legally, so I'll HAVE to pirate it."
How about the obvious, learn to live without it then?
If "pirates" have no problem providing you with illegal material, why are you trusting them so much? Do you just click on every email attatchemtn? Then why such seeming universal trust that they're not planting programs on your system. Cyber attacks don't have to happen right at the moment you first run the program. Such things could install who knows what on your system.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 5:29PM
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I honestly don't want to have to pirate it.
This is the sort of sentiment that really needs to be noticed. When the pirates are on the verge of providing better service than your company, that should be a wakeup call.
I don't understand that. Why is THAT the attitude? "I can't get it legally, so I'll HAVE to pirate it."
How about the obvious, learn to live without it then?
If "pirates" have no problem providing you with illegal material, why are you trusting them so much? Do you just click on every email attatchemtn? Then why such seeming universal trust that they're not planting programs on your system. Cyber attacks don't have to happen right at the moment you first run the program. Such things could install who knows what on your system.
Because this isn't "piracy" in the sense that someone is stealing and distributing commercial software. These "pirates" are just fans that are making unofficial software to help run their game. They make this software because they feel it helps their game. They then give it out because they have a sense of comradery with their fellow gamers. The question is why is the amateur software better than professional applications? I pay for D&DI because I wanted to support the product and I find the software at least useful. If it goes away I will not learn to "do without" because it's a better use of my time to find a third party community means of searching and organizing all of the game data.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 5:56PM
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i agree completely reinhart. its no different than something like this www.dragonsfoot.org/fe/articles/1echarge...is that a 'pirate' or a fan of the game helping keep it alive? was masterplan something sinister when the dude tried to give us actual WORKING DM TOOLS, while wizards just let the old monster builder ROT? please. only someone playing 4e is ever going to use a freaking cb, and those are your customers, playing your game, doing YOUR WORK FOR YOU, and you want to call them criminals? no wonder wizards failed so dramatically with ddi whats CRIMINAL is that anyone would suggest that a bunch of DIEHARD FANS trying to fix wizards TOTAL FAILURE at 4e tools is a bad thing. i mean, were already having the edition cancelled; you win. are we not allowed to play it either? if they take down the tools, and cancel the edition, whats the HARM in some of your customers making little programs that few people will ever even use? not everyone is chomping at the bit to quit 4e.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 6:12PM
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Howdy folks,
The piracy tangent is off-topic and against the Code of Conduct. Please return to the original topic.
Thanks.
Quentin Small
WotC Online Community Coordinator
All around helpful simian
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12 months ago ::
Jul 24, 2012 - 7:19PM
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Uh, I played 4e for several years, and I've never had a subscription. I have no idea what the OCB looks like and I functioned just fine.
I would guess you are in a minority then. 4e has undergone so much errata and so quickly that the original books are virutally unusable anymore, and there are so many rules in so many sources, that it's tedius at best (and for many effectively impossible) to make characters except with computer aid of some sort. It's not the complexity so much as the organization.
-Polaris
I beg to differ. All you have to do is be content to use only major errata or no errata. I like the OCB, but I can build a charecter just fine without it. The compendium, OTHO, I couldn't live without.
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Stuff I Heard Mike Say (subject to change): Multiclassing will be different than in 3.5! That's important.
There is no level cap; classes advance ala 3.5 epic levels after a set level.
Mundane (AKA fighter and co) encounter and daily powers will probably not be in the PHB (for the lack of space), but nor will they be in some obscure book released halfway through the edition. You can't please everyone, but you can please me. I DO NOT WANT A FREAKING 4E REPEAT. I DO NOT WANT A MODULE THAT MIMICS MY FAVORITE EDITION. I WANT MODULES THAT MIMIC A PLAYSTYLE AND CAN BE INTERCHANGED TO COMPLETELY CHANGE THE FEEL, BUT NOT THE THEME, OF D&D. A perfect example would be an espionage module, or desert survival. A BAD EXAMPLE IS HEALING SURGES. WE HAVE 4E FOR THOSE! A good example is a way to combine a mundane and self healing module, a high-survival-rate module, and a separate pool of healing resource module.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 25, 2012 - 2:24AM
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Not for nothing Herolab has a 4e character generator that I hear is pretty well updated. I use it for Pathfinder, and the only issue I have is I run PF Forgotten Realms so some of the options are not in there. ANY golarion possibility you want is available though.
And if you want FR and are skilled enough you can program the FR or Eberron stuff in with the toolset. Someone like Lokiare would have no problem with that I imagine. It does take a certain level of understanding. I am certainly not the best at it.
Then again if WOTC kills the GSL WOlflaire won't be able to do that.
Simply, taking down the 4e characte board is just assanine.
Well I'm making my own game that is similar enough to 4E that people who play 4E will like it. Maybe the spirit of 4E, while being different enough that WotC cannot sue. If you are interested it can be found in my signature...
I'm going to do the whole DDi thing. I've already got my version of the Compendium up with a limited amount of information in it here Aetherianica. I'm working on a PHP/jQuery/HTML/CSS/MySQL character builder too that seems to work on even crappy smart phone browsers. So not gonna do hero labs, just work on my own thing...
I've looked at the previews on Drive Through. It looks good. good level of thought and dedication. I have not had the chance to digest it all, because of restarting an alternity campaign with Mass Effect races.
Cool, thanks.
That's just the icing on the cake though, wait until you see the insides of the thing. Then the compendium, then the Character Builder, then the Power Builder, Feat Builder, Weapon Builder, Armor Builder, etc...etc...
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