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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 3:48PM
#211
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So I guess its unreasonable to think that people play 4E because they *gasp* actually enjoy 4E?
A lot of those same people played 1e, 2e, and 3e. Do you think it's possible that maybe they might try 5e and play it?
Why would they want all that they enjoyed about 4E to be thrown in the trash in order to bring all the old crap back?
Also, if they preferred older editions to 4E, why would they play 4E when instead they could play those editions or clones thereof like everybody else on the Internet.
Maybe there are bits and pieces of all of them they like. Maybe they try new editions based upon inertia. I know I did when 4e
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 3:48PM
#212
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 3:48PM
#213
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MexRage: I understand that you are looking for a further distinction between what's new and what's old- however what's old sold what was new didn't. This current edition is dragging me into alot of new shiney rules that I'm not sure I even like as well. I don't think new for WOTC is what the 4e. community thought that would reunite us as a fan base Much more of a shock to the system by another vast change in the ruleset would likely kill the franchise. That almost already happened. To regain the target audience a comprimise must take place. This involves going to a more accepted game engine/ rule set as well as adding things from prior editions that sold.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 3:50PM
#214
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I don't know if you remember but WotC used to release PDF versions of books.
They discontinued that and I'm not sure they'll ever go back. Even with Paizo leeching that exact market from them.
Their logic was somewhere between it encourages piracy (bunk, you could find a pdf torrent before you could find the book in stores nine times out of ten) and who on earth will pay 50$ for a pdf, we're competing with ourself here.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 3:50PM
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So instead of trying to do other new stuff never seen on the game before, you put your tail between your legs and go back running back to your cave....i would be very disapointed of WotC decided to take this route, Brightmantle.
And the reason why piracy of D&D books is here on latinamerica....is because there is no avaibility, Grizley. I have the facility of crossing the border...then drive 2 or 3 hours to san diego to buy D&D stuff...i don't think most latinamerica have that luxury...i hate piracy...but i can't blame them for it at that point, having them release online...and at a considerable price for our country would help. Like Origin store on Mexico, the prices are on pesos and the prices are adjusted more to the country's economy than USA's (60 bucks games on USA on origins, cost 500 pesos on mexico on origin, that's around 40 bucks)
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 3:53PM
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I think the biggest problem with that idea is that we already have that system. It's sitting in a box somewhere, we're geeks we didn't throw it out.
If you make a 2nd ed compatible system and start printing support for it grand, I use my 2e rules and maybe pick up an adventure here or there. 1e, 3e or 4e ditto. If your rulebook is copypaste with literally 2 new rules in it like 5e appears to be I don't need to buy 5e even if I want to play it.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 3:55PM
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I don't know if you remember but WotC used to release PDF versions of books.
They discontinued that and I'm not sure they'll ever go back. Even with Paizo leeching that exact market from them.
Their logic was somewhere between it encourages piracy (bunk, you could find a pdf torrent before you could find the book in stores nine times out of ten) and who on earth will pay 50$ for a pdf, we're competing with ourself here.
The smart thing would be to calculate the profit off each physical book you sell and sell the PDF's for the same or slightly more.
That way you might sell the physical book for $30 and the PDF for maybe $9.99...
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 3:55PM
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So instead of trying to do other new stuff never seen on the game before, you put your tail between your legs and go back running back to your cave....i would be very disapointed of WotC decided to take this route, Brightmantle.
And the reason why piracy of D&D books is here on latinamerica....is because there is no avaibility, Grizley. I have the facility of crossing the border...then drive 2 or 3 hours to san diego to buy D&D stuff...i don't think most latinamerica have that luxury...i hate piracy...but i can't blame them for it at that point
It appears thats what they are doing out of self preservation. Now I can only speak to my own experience but that approach has garnered my interest when I didn't even give a whip about the WOTC brand of D&D. In fact apart from Magic I didn't buy their products.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 3:58PM
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And the reason why piracy of D&D books is here on latinamerica....is because there is no avaibility, Grizley. I have the facility of crossing the border...then drive 2 or 3 hours to san diego to buy D&D stuff...i don't think most latinamerica have that luxury...i hate piracy...but i can't blame them for it at that point
Oh I very much get why piracy happens, especially in markets where legitimate copies aren't available. I don't even really hold it against someone if they want a product from a company that won't provide it.
They just went down the road of lets not provide PDFs because those get torrented within days of release without thinking about who might want to pay for a digital copy and not have the option of a physical copy.
Lets also face that at times WotC work is of... varying quality and there are people who will download a book, read it, and then decide if it's banned at their table on the grounds of them not liking it or buying it and making it availble. When that is a crowd that you're worried about you need to concern yourself with the quality of product and making sure you have a wider adoption base for your material not fighting to keep people from doing it. You can't, RIAA can't and they have a gajillion times your budget for dicking with consumers.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 17, 2012 - 4:00PM
#220
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I don't know if you remember but WotC used to release PDF versions of books.
They discontinued that and I'm not sure they'll ever go back. Even with Paizo leeching that exact market from them.
Their logic was somewhere between it encourages piracy (bunk, you could find a pdf torrent before you could find the book in stores nine times out of ten) and who on earth will pay 50$ for a pdf, we're competing with ourself here.
The smart thing would be to calculate the profit off each physical book you sell and sell the PDF's for the same or slightly more.
That way you might sell the physical book for $30 and the PDF for maybe $9.99...
That would be the logical thing to do, yes.
I suspect you would sell a lot more PDFs than hardbacks at that rate, but from the WotC point of view it doesn't matter. You did't get the 30$ sale, but you didn't pay the 20$ printing and binding fee either.
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