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Jul 20, 2012 -- 5:40PM, greatfrito wrote:

Jul 20, 2012 -- 5:09PM, ReaperTatt wrote:

Good post.

It is utterly ridiculous to think that [...] Fleeing back to your house/hideout to rest and recover and then go back the next day will be an easier time.

Well, rest, recover, and reload your rocket launcher. 

Take away the rocket launcher, and give something more reasonable, and it can be okay though.

If you attacked with a rocket launcher the day before, you probably woudn't make it home, especially when many of your enemies have rocket launchers all of their own.

Just have the whole nest of kobolds (all warriors and armed - THAT'S what's contrived about D&D modules) - track the players while they flee like cowards.

The kobolds are nature savvy primitives - it shouldn't be hard - they can jump the stupid mercenaries that murdered their cohorts and the Caves of Chaos remains dangerous to anyone who doesn't act at all the part of a hero.

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I'm not sure attacking and running is ever intelligent.

A castle is brimming with guards, knights, wizards, etc. but they're not all ready to fight. We allow human NPCs to "live".

The all male warrior kobolds... is a stupid convention to get rid of any muddied waters of anything that resembles a "den of kobolds".

But let's say they're an advance party of all male warrior kobolds who hold up in the caves... their real village somewhere far away.

They're not all standing there like statues awaiting greedy adventurers hellbent on treasure (one would wonder why kobolds would need to be a threat - if they have currency to barter with, especially magical items - but this is D&D).

Anyway - back to the castle - if I ran up to the gates, killed the guards and ran away - would it be contrived that new guards were waiting for me the next time? New guards - some knights who rode out to avenge the guards I murdered - and maybe a few archers?

I don't think it would - I would think the DM is asleep at the wheel if nothing changed at all.

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If you were playing paintball - and two of your friends just go plastered five feet from you - and you 1) saw a way to "kill" one of your opponents or 2) had a way to flee to a safer area to regroup.  Would you instead say - "No, I have chosen my room, I must stay here until the encounter plays out."?

Some people seem to be saying that - not unlike a video game - even though I'm slaughtering monsters in plain site of their allies - it would be totally unrealistic and "contrived" if the whole tribe came running after me.

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My thought?  Perhaps a dungeon should be one prolonged encounter - you "Enter Dungeon - Begin Fight" and the battle comes in waves (with the entire dungeon revealed at once).. and retreating from the fight takes actual effort. And retreat results in failure of that dungeon (just like running away would be failure for an encounter).

Jul 20, 2012 -- 5:39PM, Hurin88 wrote:

Jul 20, 2012 -- 5:35PM, ReaperTatt wrote:

Wars of attrition are very long and drawn out affairs that do not an interesting and enaging RPG make.

I think you've finally got the point.

The game should not be so poorly designed that characters break it when they act intelligently.

Win

I don't pay money for a game system with a huge flaw the designers admit exists and then tell me that they couldn't be bothered and that I or my DM have to finish their work for them. That is, honestly speaking, inacceptable.

@Leichtenreiter: But didn't you purchase 1st - 4th Edition? 

Whether or not it exists (it has never existed in my campaign) is subject to at least "some" debate I think.

It only exists depending on the style of game you play.

Why not just say: "One Extended Rest per game night." If your game is mechanics heavy (and how to manipulate/abuse those mechanics) - then adding this extremely simple rule is pretty easy.