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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 2:49AM
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I'll say it again, and please note that I'm not a native English speaker so constructing arguments proves difficult: I'm a 4E fan, and so are my players. In my first post I provided a list of what 5E offered me and my players that made us enjoy the experience. How is that irrelevant to reasons as to why should somebody, who shares my love for 4E, choose to try it for himself? I merely added that as of now, the main question of the thread has problematic phrasing, because the 5th edition hasn't come out yet, and we are all still fussing about theories, not an actual published product. I don't have simple answers to that question, because it assumes all 4E players love the same things, which is a fallacy. Post answering this tread's question with "noting" or "everything" cannot assume that as one product is not yet half finished, and the other doesn't always attract the same types of players.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 7:34AM
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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 8:02AM
#63
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@Ashtoret
I believe there are a lot of 4e fans with your attitude. I think it is why 5e has a chance to succeed. I despair that Lokiare will ever prefer 5e. In fact I feel that way about a lot of people on these boards. It's why I wondered recently just how many of these diehards there are. The answers of course were all over the place. My gut tells me though that there are more like you.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 8:19AM
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@Ashtoret
I believe there are a lot of 4e fans with your attitude. I think it is why 5e has a chance to succeed. I despair that Lokiare will ever prefer 5e. In fact I feel that way about a lot of people on these boards. It's why I wondered recently just how many of these diehards there are. The answers of course were all over the place. My gut tells me though that there are more like you.
When it was first announced I had a glimmer of hope, but it has been dashed after the play test and every article that gets put out on the subject.
Especially the one on the tactical module. It seems that WotC didn't even know why a majority of people liked 4E. It certainly wasn't the formatting. It wasn't for 3.xE tactics packaged to look like 4E tactics (thier words not mine).
They might throw us 4E AEDU fans a bone with 1-2 AEDU classes, but it doesn't matter which classes these are because it will leave some 4E fans out.
There are only a few things about 5E that look even remotely interesting Advantage/Disadvantage (which they don't understand the math on), bounded accuracy (but it has its own problems).
Really that's about it. There is nothing that appeals to me as a 4E fan.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 11:08AM
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@Ashtoret
I believe there are a lot of 4e fans with your attitude. I think it is why 5e has a chance to succeed. I despair that Lokiare will ever prefer 5e. In fact I feel that way about a lot of people on these boards. It's why I wondered recently just how many of these diehards there are. The answers of course were all over the place. My gut tells me though that there are more like you.
I don't even like 4e, but the current 5e is still a step for the worse. So I'm not one of the dieshards you see here, still i will voice my complaints, especially that they are NOT TAKING 4e improvements of the game into their considerations just because "4E IS BAD for grognard feelings" .
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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 12:27PM
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@Ashtoret
I believe there are a lot of 4e fans with your attitude. I think it is why 5e has a chance to succeed. I despair that Lokiare will ever prefer 5e. In fact I feel that way about a lot of people on these boards. It's why I wondered recently just how many of these diehards there are. The answers of course were all over the place. My gut tells me though that there are more like you.
I don't even like 4e, but the current 5e is still a step for the worse. So I'm not one of the dieshards you see here, still i will voice my complaints, especially that they are NOT TAKING some 4e improvements of the game into their considerations just because some improvements weren't .
I fixed what you were saying. From what I've seen so far there are and are going to be some 4e distinctives in 5e. But there are also going to be 1e,2e,and 3e also. Thats what designing a game for all editions means.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 3:46PM
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Right now my group sees very little to excite them, and most of the ideas that are interesting are also ones that can be ported to 4th with relatively little effort (skills system).
Personally I feel like D&D next should be called D&D Camel edition based on the old saw that a camel is a racehorse designed by a committee. Not trying to be negative but the game currently feels like a mish mash of ideas rather than having the clear design goals of 3.X or 4.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 3:48PM
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Right now my group sees very little to excite them, and most of the ideas that are interesting are also ones that can be ported to 4th with relatively little effort (skills system).
Personally I feel like D&D next should be called D&D Camel edition based on the old saw that a camel is a racehorse designed by a committee. Not trying to be negative but the game currently feels like a mish mash of ideas rather than having the clear design goals of 3.X or 4.
It isn't a game at all though, its a playtest...
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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 4:07PM
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It isn't a game at all though, its a playtest...
This does not exempt it from criticism, though. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Seriously, though, you should check out the PbP Haven. You might also like Real Adventures, IF you're cool. | Knights of W.T.F.- Silver Spur Winner | |
4enclave, a place where 4e fans can talk 4e in peace.
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11 months ago ::
Jul 13, 2012 - 4:20PM
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It isn't a game at all though, its a playtest...
This does not exempt it from criticism, though. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Fair enough, I just don't understand the criticism I guess.
Design Goals of 3e = Customization via Class, Race, Skills, Feats. Uniform Multiclassing System, Scaling by level for BAB, and saving throws
Design Goals of 4e = Ease of DMing, Clearly Defined Roles by class, Automatic Scaling by level of many features
Design Goals of Next = Go back to the roots, Reduce barrier to entry, Bounded Accuracy (lessend scaling), Maintain easy DMing, Customization via Class, Race, Background (Skills), Theme (Feats)
What are the comparisons going against?
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