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12 months ago ::
Jun 29, 2012 - 8:42PM
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Humans are superb long distance runners.
Human athletes survive long distance runs which would kill off horses (and likely many other beasts but horses have been killed that way) if we force them to do it... but since our biology varies strongly between muscle types. A human "might" even be born with that stamina or might never be able to achieve it. Conversely our athletes can also reach their maximum speed faster than a horse might (admittedly that might be partly a function of being bipedal). So when somebody runs and leaps on there horse to escape.. go ahead and chase you could catch them.
I'm not really sure what you point is here though, because the advantage that humans have in that regard would be true of all humanoid species and since races in D&D, with but with one extremely odd exception I can think of, are bipedal species with the same muscular system as humans.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 29, 2012 - 9:20PM
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Humans are superb long distance runners.
Human athletes survive long distance runs which would kill off horses (and likely many other beasts but horses have been killed that way) if we force them to do it... but since our biology varies strongly between muscle types. A human "might" even be born with that stamina or might never be able to achieve it. Conversely our athletes can also reach their maximum speed faster than a horse might (admittedly that might be partly a function of being bipedal). So when somebody runs and leaps on there horse to escape.. go ahead and chase you could catch them.
I'm not really sure what you point is here though, because the advantage that humans have in that regard would be true of all humanoid species and since races in D&D, with but with one extremely odd exception I can think of, are bipedal species with the same muscular system as humans.
Bipedal might be why acceleration is higher ( I was acknowledgeing a flaw in the model ) or it might be humans have a large range of specialization... I can get really high stamina or I can get really high quickness but in real world terms the two are mutually exclusive .. like having a bonus that can be applied to one or the other.
A dwarf might hit high stamina and a elf high quickness but a human might hit either.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 29, 2012 - 11:06PM
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Humans are superb long distance runners.
Human athletes survive long distance runs which would kill off horses (and likely many other beasts but horses have been killed that way) if we force them to do it... but since our biology varies strongly between muscle types. A human "might" even be born with that stamina or might never be able to achieve it. Conversely our athletes can also reach their maximum speed faster than a horse might (admittedly that might be partly a function of being bipedal). So when somebody runs and leaps on there horse to escape.. go ahead and chase you could catch them.
I'm not really sure what you point is here though, because the advantage that humans have in that regard would be true of all humanoid species and since races in D&D, with but with one extremely odd exception I can think of, are bipedal species with the same muscular system as humans.
They no more have the same muscular system as us than all felines have the same muscular system. Different felines can run faster, or for longer distances, than other felines. Same thing with canines, equines, and probably anything else we tend to think of as fast.
Some DnD races would require great stretches of logic to conclude that they could run as fast and as far as a human. Dwarves, for instance.
Humans are made for running. it's not an incidental trait.
More sex and gender equality and racial equality shouldn't even be an argument--it should simply be an assumption for any RPG that wants to stay relevant in the 21st century.
I could say anything in D&D is silly though, because it's a silly game and we are silly people.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2012 - 1:55AM
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They no more have the same muscular system as us than all felines have the same muscular system. Different felines can run faster, or for longer distances, than other felines. Same thing with canines, equines, and probably anything else we tend to think of as fast.
Some DnD races would require great stretches of logic to conclude that they could run as fast and as far as a human. Dwarves, for instance.
Humans are made for running. it's not an incidental trait.
One would imagine they would run as fast and as far as a human with the same body build however (and there are short, bulky humans).
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12 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2012 - 6:03AM
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Being a short bulky human (half a foot shorter than average for my homeland, and with a shoulder and hip base perfectly average for someone half a foot taller than avergae for my homeland), I think my body type falls short of Dwarven proportions. Also, my bones may be of different density, Dwarven height/weight ratio has flcutuated widely.
Same with Elves, however, they seem to be the closest to humans in proportionality. However, as forrest dwellers, they would need to be light to propperly brachiate, which I imagine would be their survival schtick. Assuming they didn't just magically form from the dreams of butterflies and dryad sap.
Edit: The point about my build, I'm a solid sprinter (shorter muscle span is easier to develop and a powerful spring makes up for a short stride), and most excellent in long distance (I'll keep moving well after most others are fallen out, clutching sides and possibly retching, but that is a matter of conditioning and training more than body type advantage), but mid distance is murderous to me, my short stride cannot be over come with sprint power in a sustained manner, and if the run isn't long enough to just wear everyone else out, I'mma gonna make the not best showing. I can only imagine the difficulties I have would be maginifed on someone with a more exaggerated short/wide/dense schema.
I have an answer for you, it may even be the truth.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2012 - 9:37AM
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As a mid range runner with a longer stride I agree completely.
Longer distance causes me to narrow my stride to concerve energy and thus negates my advantage while short sprints do not give me enough time to open my stride to its fullest.
400-800 meters is my prime running distance.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2012 - 12:41PM
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Im quick like a bunny, even though i am short. Im very dangerous over short distances. =).
So do we like the idea of speed (or perhaps the ability to force march? hadn't thought of that) as being a human advantage we could give them.?
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12 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2012 - 1:06PM
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Im quick like a bunny, even though i am short. Im very dangerous over short distances. =).
So do we like the idea of speed (or perhaps the ability to force march? hadn't thought of that) as being a human advantage we could give them.?
I haven't seen any good argument against it, and it would finally give humans a trait that stands out a bit.
I still think they should also have enviromental adaptation as a mechanical trait, though.
More sex and gender equality and racial equality shouldn't even be an argument--it should simply be an assumption for any RPG that wants to stay relevant in the 21st century.
I could say anything in D&D is silly though, because it's a silly game and we are silly people.
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12 months ago ::
Jun 30, 2012 - 1:06PM
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They no more have the same muscular system as us than all felines have the same muscular system. Different felines can run faster, or for longer distances, than other felines. Same thing with canines, equines, and probably anything else we tend to think of as fast.
Some DnD races would require great stretches of logic to conclude that they could run as fast and as far as a human. Dwarves, for instance.
Humans are made for running. it's not an incidental trait.
One would imagine they would run as fast and as far as a human with the same body build however (and there are short, bulky humans).
You might, I certainly wouldn't. I've met 4 - 4.5 foot tall humans, and they aren't built like fantasy dwarves. Even the stocky ones.
Humans and fantasy humanoids are more like different canine species than they are like different types of humans.
More sex and gender equality and racial equality shouldn't even be an argument--it should simply be an assumption for any RPG that wants to stay relevant in the 21st century.
I could say anything in D&D is silly though, because it's a silly game and we are silly people.
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12 months ago ::
Jul 01, 2012 - 10:45AM
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Well in any event we have some good ideas going here and I think we areproving that a boring stat boost ISNT the best they can do to emulat humanity's advantages.
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