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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 10:01PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 25, 2007
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Maybe I'm not alone? I've been reminiscing about 3.5 since I heard about these upcoming playtests and since getting the platest rules and remembering all the things I don't like about 4e I'm really starting to appreciate 4e again.
I do plan to fire up a playtest and contribute my feedback but I think I truly appreciate what they did with 4e a lot more now and understand how hard it must have been as well as how hard it must be hearing people make claims such as not being able to roleplay in 4e (which is just plain silly since the roleplay is always player and DM driven not combat rulesets)... maybe I'm not alone?
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 10:07PM
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Date Joined:
Jul 17, 2004
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Nope, not alone.
I was a slow convert from 3.5e/Pathfinder to 4e, but after going from 4e back to 3.5e, I didn't like it anywhere near as much as I remembered liking it.
In 2e/3e/Pathfinder there are some elements I absolutely loathe, in 4e there are some elements I wish were tweaked, or different, but there's nothing I really hate.
Reading the play test I'm really wishing WotC would continue to support and develop 4e instead of throwing it under the bus and running away...
"I'm just killing time, since it's killing us."
--Cyon Fal'Duur, Pathfinder Chronicler: Rogue Ascendant
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 10:18PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 25, 2007
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Nope, not alone.
I was a slow convert from 3.5e/Pathfinder to 4e, but after going from 4e back to 3.5e, I didn't like it anywhere near as much as I remembered liking it.
In 2e/3e/Pathfinder there are some elements I absolutely loathe, in 4e there are some elements I wish were tweaked, or different, but there's nothing I really hate.
Reading the play test I'm really wishing WotC would continue to support and develop 4e instead of throwing it under the bus and running away...
Yeah, since thinking on this I really wish WoTC would continue with 4e as well.
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 10:22PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 11, 2010
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You are not alone at all, Matt. I actually came to these forums to look for a place to ask WotC WHY do we need a 5th edition? I've played D&D since the "Blue" Box (predecesor to the legendary "Red" box), from the late 70's, and I think that 4th edition is the most approachable of any iteration I've ever seen. Sure, some things aren't as cool or sexy as previous editions, but I've never seen so many new players being turned on to D&D as I've ever seen in this edition, and that's so impressive and yet unstated by most bloggers. So, no, not alone at all, man.
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 10:45PM
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The playtest material isn't making me appreciate 4e more. However, I do notice things that have a 4e feel to them. Most notably, this includes the long rest, the power-like attacks (though the fighter is behind the curve for the moment), and the way HP are determined.
Why Mechanics-Alignment Integration is Bad
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so why even play a fighter if you can play the paladin the exact same way behaviorally and get added power to boot. "Paladin" is about accepting better game-enhancing mechanics at the price of more rigid in game behavior.
Really? So it goes something like this?
Fighter: "I want to be a paladin."
NPC: "Really?"
Fighter: "Yes."
NPC: "Very well." Starts reading from a holy book while still in-character "Do you accept having to choose and stick to the lawful good alignment, eventhough neither of us actually knows that it exists or what it is?"
Fighter: "I do."
NPC: "Do you reject good game balance because you accidentally rolled a high Charisma?"
Fighter: "What?"
NPC: "I don't know what it means either."
Fighter: "Oh. Umm, ok I do."
NPC: "In the name of all that is metagamey and broken, accept these better game enhancing mechanics."
Fighter: "These what?"
NPC: "Just get out there and try to fulfill a million different people's notion of good while not violating and part of any of them."
So the system is designed such that every single hit needs to be described to avoid confusion? Here's a scenario. The players are nudists, everybody in the world are nudists, it's not weird, it's totally normal in this land. They are naked and they fight drakes taking damage throughout, but healing up with surges. Later they meet the guy who raised the drakes.
Part 1: I didn't describe any of the hits. What does he see?
Part 2: Lets say I described the drakes as biting the players, yet they healed up. What does he see?
D20 Modern Toon PC Race.
Mecha Pilot's Skill Challenge Emporium.
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 10:47PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 19, 2007
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Not alone. They managed to make a better version of 3.5, with some stremlined things à la AD&D and some dumbed down versions of 4E rules' framework.
But it plays too much like 3.5, and I'm not going back.
Are you interested in an online 4E game on Sunday? Contact me with a PM! Spoiler:
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Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept.
Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new.
Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept.
Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept. Ideas for 5ESpoiler:
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 10:57PM
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I'm not sure I'm appreciating 4e more (you can't appreciate it more if it's already your favorite edition of D&D, and I've played most of them, dating back to the BECMI sets), but I'm definitely not seeing anything that will sway me away from 4e.
I'm thus far not particularly feeling D&D Next. It's OK, but they haven't shown me much that's better than what I have in 4e, and a lot of it is worse. That's fine, though; even if they reveal stuff from 5e that blows me out of the water later on, my group has no plans of switching from 4e for the forseeable future; at least until 5e releases enough books to be a mature edition.
And if 5e never blows me away, that's fine, too. I could stick with 4e forever and won't feel like WotC is ruining D&D or any of the ridiculous accusations 3.x players made when 4e was released.
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 11:03PM
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Date Joined:
May 24, 2012
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Most definitly not alone OP!
After an hour or so checking out the playtest materials, I realized that 4th may just end up being the last edition for me, and this is coming from someone with the original boxed sets (red to black!) still in his attick.
It seems like every single page has something to annoy me, and it's something I thought dead and buried when 4th came out!
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 11:10PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 23, 2007
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Maybe I'm not alone? I've been reminiscing about 3.5 since I heard about these upcoming playtests and since getting the platest rules and remembering all the things I don't like about 4e I'm really starting to appreciate 4e again.
You are not alone !
I play D&D since 30 years (nearly continous) and I saw each new edition as an improvement over the
previous one. I still think 4e has some fundamental flaws (money - hitpoints - level scaling).
But they should have gone forward from there not backwards.
And I can't help - I never liked vancian casting.
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 11:19PM
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Not alone, not at all ...
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
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