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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 6:45PM #1
Elton74
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So far, some of my PCs are having fun at this moment, one isn't.

Combat: He suggests that you open more options up to think tactically in the main book.  To move tatically and to make an option.  He likes the change in action economy, allowing you to move and not expend your action. And he says there isn't much of a difference from any other edition of D&D.

I don't know what he is going for at that point. Other players said that that they liked the new mechanics they saw, and combat was simple.  But the only issue they had was what little options in combat they can do. 

Aesthetics: The game has 3e language and gives off a definite 1e vibe.  THIS IS A GOOD THING!  The players enjoyed the themes and the backgrounds.  One player definitely said that this iteration of the rules is definitely better than fourth, which is an awesome thing to say at this point.

Patterns: No pattern report at this time, except to say that the combat system as it stands resembles Shadowrun. 

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[Thu May 24 16:08:23 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: EXT. FOREST -- DARK, FORBIDDEN, SHADOWY, YOU HAVE THE JITTERS.

[Thu May 24 16:08:48 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: No save vs. fear here, though. :P

[Thu May 24 16:09:01 2012] : (5761) Midnight: (i can't find skills *sad*)

[Thu May 24 16:09:52 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: You have been p(a)ssing through this forest for some time. As it grows denser and gloomier, until the mishapen trees and grasping briars suddenly give way to a ravine. It's walls -- dark, streaked rock mingled with earth.

[Thu May 24 16:10:36 2012] : ** (5761) Brawn Axecleaver smiles holding his axe on his shoulder. "I like this place." He says looking for stuff to fight. **

[Thu May 24 16:11:17 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: So, you have stumbled into a 100 foot ravine. Clumps of trees, some dead, some stand even on the slopes. The opening you are in is about 200 ft wide.

[Thu May 24 16:11:34 2012] : ** (5689) Warsor truds through these damned and creepy woods his warhammer slung over one shoulder. He glances around at his companions, he isn't a talkative one but he gets the job does with protection and healing. **

[Thu May 24 16:12:02 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: And the ravine runs at least 400 feet to the west. Which means that this is before your eyes at 12 o'clock.

[Thu May 24 16:15:01 2012] : (5768) Wulfric: Okay, so here's how I'm reading this. You prepare spells outside of combat. This takes an indeterminant amount of time, but must be done outside of combat. After that ,you have your spells allocated to your spell slots (assuming you're not a spontaneous caster) and can expend said slots per encounter, not per day.

[Thu May 24 16:15:26 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: At varying hieghts on all sides of the ravine are the black mouths of caves in the rock walls. The sunlight is dim and the air is dank. With the oppressive feeling that something that could hurt you is watching.

[Thu May 24 16:15:55 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: (( Also, I am now Bob the Rogue for playtest purposes ))

[Thu May 24 16:16:27 2012] : ** (5689) Drohad the Dwarf Grunts to the elven wizard looking to her. **

[Thu May 24 16:16:34 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: (( I'm also a halfling. Halfling named Bob. ))

[Thu May 24 16:17:14 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (*changes fox name*)

[Thu May 24 16:17:37 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: A flock of ravens rises, croaking from the ground, terrain magnifying the beat of their wings and cries into a horrible sound. Among the litter of rubble boulders and very dead wood on the ravine.

[Thu May 24 16:17:56 2012] : ** (5768) Bob the Rogue shoots a raven. **

[Thu May 24 16:18:12 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: You see . . . bones of humans, and a dead raven falling out of the sky.

[Thu May 24 16:18:32 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: "Hey, guys! I got dinner!"

[Thu May 24 16:18:37 2012] : ** (5689) Drohad the Dwarf gives Bob a look and shakes his head. **

[Thu May 24 16:18:54 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: There are also animals ad magical creatures' bones strewn all about. What do you do?

[Thu May 24 16:19:14 2012] : ** (5768) Bob the Rogue looks at the animals and magical creatures bones strewn about. "And I can make windchimes!" **

[Thu May 24 16:19:39 2012] : ** (5689) Drohad the Dwarf stays alert, expecting trouble. **

[Thu May 24 16:20:12 2012] : ** (5768) Bob the Rogue stuffs the raven into his bag, saving it for later. He'll look at the magical bones strewn about, and knowing that there's probably going to be some undead threat at some points, he'll start breaking the bones as he walks through. **

[Thu May 24 16:20:43 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: (Fox, you're not responding. . . )

[Thu May 24 16:21:10 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (i think shes awol)

[Thu May 24 16:21:43 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: So, you have discovered the caves of Chaos. Please take note that you are some distance away from Sharn, and the Keep on the Borderlands is your only hope for help.

[Thu May 24 16:22:42 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: (( How far away is the keep on the borderlands? And are there caged elephants there? ))

[Thu May 24 16:22:43 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: "Well Clerics first." He smiles letting his friend ahead.

[Thu May 24 16:23:19 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: It's a afternoon's walk away. I have the 2e module of this, so I know exactly where it is.

[Thu May 24 16:23:26 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: I forgot, it's partly cloudy.

[Thu May 24 16:23:48 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: (( How...how could you forget such a thing!? THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW!!! ))

[Thu May 24 16:24:00 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: (( THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!! ))

[Thu May 24 16:24:21 2012] : ** (5689) Drohad the Dwarf Hmrphs and holds his Heavy shield up and his Warhammer ready as he slowly advances toward the cave. **

[Thu May 24 16:24:25 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: (( On a serious note, a day's travel to get back to the only place with medical fascilities? This might be fun. ))

[Thu May 24 16:24:54 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (just kill them before they kill you. the cleric can keep us alive)

[Thu May 24 16:24:55 2012] : ** (5768) Bob the Rogue sneaks in on everyone's flank, since he's a halfling rogue of rogue-ness with sneaky tendancies. That should be an alignment. Chaotic Sneaky.**

[Thu May 24 16:25:34 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: "Actually hold up a moment."

[Thu May 24 16:25:43 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (wouldn't that make me Neutral Cleaving?)

[Thu May 24 16:25:49 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: "Whats up?"

[Thu May 24 16:25:53 2012] : ** (5689) Drohad the Dwarf does something with his weapon, saying a blessing over it and it begins to glow with holy light. **

[Thu May 24 16:26:00 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: "There we go."

[Thu May 24 16:26:12 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (do we wanna go on without fox?)

[Thu May 24 16:26:18 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (Crusader's Strike. Duration 1 hour)

[Thu May 24 16:26:27 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (I'd prefer to wait for her)

[Thu May 24 16:26:36 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: (( same ))

[Thu May 24 16:26:48 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (thats 3 votes for waiting)

[Thu May 24 16:27:07 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: [1d4] => [1] = (1)

[Thu May 24 16:27:14 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: hmmm . . .

[Thu May 24 16:27:25 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Roll of one.

[Thu May 24 16:27:33 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: [1d4] => [4] = (4)

[Thu May 24 16:27:39 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Stop that.

[Thu May 24 16:27:50 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (you said roll one)

[Thu May 24 16:28:15 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: The place is forboding to you all.

[Thu May 24 16:28:40 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: You decide it's a good place to rest a bit. Anyone want to look for firewood and build a lunch?

[Thu May 24 16:28:41 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: "I'll save me other magicsw for healin."

[Thu May 24 16:29:02 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (Oh if we are resting then **** casting the spell)

[Thu May 24 16:29:19 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: "I'll go look for firewood. You don't want me cooking anything."

[Thu May 24 16:29:20 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (don't want to waste it unless we were going in)

[Thu May 24 16:29:52 2012] : ** (5768) Bob the Rogue goes and gathers wood, bringing it back to the group. "Wizard lady, can you light a fire?" **

[Thu May 24 16:30:54 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (i like how they give you a tinder box but no flint and steel)

[Thu May 24 16:31:03 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: The High Elf wizard is currently catatonic.

[Thu May 24 16:31:28 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: "Damnit, I told her not to try combining a cold and a fire spell together. But does she listen!? NOOO!"

[Thu May 24 16:31:46 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (She is not doing her morale duty!)

[Thu May 24 16:32:10 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: "This is just like that time when she asked a succubus how babies are made...gah!" he says, going to pick up some tinder to start a fire the old fashioned way.

[Thu May 24 16:32:53 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (how do you start a fire without flint and steel?)

[Thu May 24 16:33:05 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: (( Rub your wood very fast. ))

[Thu May 24 16:33:26 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: (by rubbing two sticks together . . . okay that just perverts my response.)

[Thu May 24 16:34:27 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (*rubs sticks with warsor* bowchickabow wow)

[Thu May 24 16:35:05 2012] : (5782) Myth (enter): 16:35

[Thu May 24 16:35:07 2012] : ** (5768) Bob the Rogue goes back to hiding. **

[Thu May 24 16:35:15 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Hey, myth!

[Thu May 24 16:35:19 2012] : (5782) Myth: hi

[Thu May 24 16:35:31 2012] : ** (5689) Drohad the Dwarf stands resolute guarding the camp, facing toward the cave. **

[Thu May 24 16:35:32 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Why is fox not responding? hmm.

[Thu May 24 16:37:17 2012] : (5782) Myth: fox may have broken. Or unshaped has broken her connection

[Thu May 24 16:37:59 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Myth, you are playing the healy mystic cleric.

[Thu May 24 16:38:18 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: I thought thats what warsor was?

[Thu May 24 16:38:27 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (She is just playing hard to get)

[Thu May 24 16:38:31 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (No)

[Thu May 24 16:38:38 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (I am the cleric of Moradin)

[Thu May 24 16:38:44 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (More like a paladin)

[Thu May 24 16:38:49 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Warsor is "I hit you with my sword and I wear shining armor" cleric. Aka, the PALADIN!

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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 6:56PM #2
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One of the players stresses that you should have options for a spellpoint system as an optional rule in the main book rather than just spells per day (Vancian).  This way, it will make more logical sense to him and to  others.  Just as another aside. 
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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 6:57PM #3
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[Thu May 24 16:39:00 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (Cleric of pelor is the other character that fill s a primary healer)

[Thu May 24 16:39:02 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: Alright, found the actual section on spellcasting. Apparently you have infinite casting outside of combat, but inside combat you have your spell slots per day. I was wrong about the per encounter bit, which is odd...

[Thu May 24 16:39:15 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (Only without a paladin code)

[Thu May 24 16:39:24 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (I can lie and cheat if I want.)

[Thu May 24 16:39:36 2012] : (5783) ImposterMoose (enter): 16:39

[Thu May 24 16:39:52 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Rolling for an encounter.

[Thu May 24 16:40:01 2012] : (5783) NapalmMoose: (( Mind If I watch?))

[Thu May 24 16:40:06 2012] : (5782) Myth: guess could play the cleric.

[Thu May 24 16:40:22 2012] : (5782) Myth: got distracted by questions about fire and new information on radio

[Thu May 24 16:40:37 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: [1d6] => [4] = (4)

[Thu May 24 16:41:23 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: A bunch of kobolds are mad that you are camping in the forest and think you are a bunch of no good tresspassing losers!

[Thu May 24 16:41:36 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (*lights moose unfire*)

[Thu May 24 16:41:41 2012] : ** (5768) Bob the Rogue kills the kobolds. **

[Thu May 24 16:41:52 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: INITIATIVE!

[Thu May 24 16:42:03 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (whats init?)

[Thu May 24 16:42:22 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (foundit)

[Thu May 24 16:42:27 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: [1d20+1] => [5,1] = (6)

[Thu May 24 16:42:51 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: (( Remember, the kobolds don't know where I am, because i'm a sneaky rogue and went back into hiding. So the kobolds are going to get a -20 penalty. ))

[Thu May 24 16:43:21 2012] : (5782) Myth: (which cleric am I? Not the dwarf one right?))

[Thu May 24 16:43:34 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: [1d20-1] => [9,-1] = (8) init

[Thu May 24 16:43:35 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: added to list at init count 8 !


[Thu May 24 16:43:54 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: init [1d20+3] => [17,3] = (20)

[Thu May 24 16:44:02 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: [1d20-20] => [19,-20] = (-1)

[Thu May 24 16:44:09 2012] : (5782) Myth: ((pelor cleric? Or moradin one?)

[Thu May 24 16:44:15 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: (( Pelor ))

[Thu May 24 16:44:30 2012] : (5782) Myth: [1d20+2] => [7,2] = (9) init

[Thu May 24 16:44:31 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: added to list at init count 9 !


[Thu May 24 16:44:56 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (I'm the Moradin dwarf cleric)

[Thu May 24 16:44:58 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: (( the cleric of Ba'al, of course -- Pelor. )

[Thu May 24 16:45:13 2012] : (5782) Myth: (good, I don't like dwarves. They smell. XD))

[Thu May 24 16:45:25 2012] : (5783) NapalmMoose: (( Pelor, The Burning Hate ))

[Thu May 24 16:45:27 2012] : (5782) Myth: (and are highly flamable))

[Thu May 24 16:45:38 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Myth, roll initiative.

[Thu May 24 16:45:49 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (did you get my init?)

[Thu May 24 16:45:57 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: yep.

[Thu May 24 16:45:59 2012] : (5782) Myth: (I did, rolled a 9))

[Thu May 24 16:46:34 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Order of initative: Bob, with the bob hair cut and the naked feet, goes first.

[Thu May 24 16:46:35 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (Brawn you hear what he said about our race?)

[Thu May 24 16:46:49 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (Lets show this manling how it's done)

[Thu May 24 16:46:53 2012] : (5787) Felix (enter): 16:46

[Thu May 24 16:47:11 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Bob, Myth, Brawn, Kobolds.

[Thu May 24 16:47:23 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (Um...you left me out.)

[Thu May 24 16:47:40 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: I couldn't find your result, what was your result?

[Thu May 24 16:47:45 2012] : (5689) Drohad the Dwarf: (8.)

[Thu May 24 16:48:02 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Okay: Bob, Myth, Brohad, Brawn, Kobolds.

[Thu May 24 16:48:26 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: LETS BREAK THESE RULES! BOB, ATTACK!

[Thu May 24 16:48:32 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Curse reality altering powers that be!)

[Thu May 24 16:49:01 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (Aye)

[Thu May 24 16:49:09 2012] : ** (5768) Bob the Rogue sneak attacks the kobold from behind cover using his sling of awesomeness. [1d20+6] => [19,6] = (25) for [1d8+1d6] => [6,5] = (11) damage.**

[Thu May 24 16:49:16 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (*drinks the kobolds under the table*)

[Thu May 24 16:49:22 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Och!

[Thu May 24 16:49:30 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: (( Sorry, +3. 14 damage ))

[Thu May 24 16:50:11 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Kobold goes down, the sling stone has hit him in the head with a bullseye! DEATH TO THE KOBOLD! Myth, show him up.

[Thu May 24 16:50:58 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue: (( Elton may have lost connection. ))

[Thu May 24 16:51:09 2012] : Game disconnected!

[Thu May 24 16:51:21 2012] : Locating server at unshaped.net:6774...

[Thu May 24 16:51:22 2012] : Game connected!

[Thu May 24 16:51:22 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:23 2012] : (5778) Jess (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:23 2012] : (5779) Jess (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:23 2012] : (5777) Arillius (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:23 2012] : (5786) Kuatous (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:23 2012] : (5788) Tristan (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:24 2012] : (0) Server Administrator-> You have connected to an OpenRPG server, version '1.8.0', named 'Unshaped'.

Welcome to Unshaped!
Please wipe your feet.


[Thu May 24 16:51:25 2012] : Moving to room '(5e) Eberron'..

[Thu May 24 16:51:25 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:25 2012] : (0) Server Administrator->

Welcome to Unshaped!
Please wipe your feet.


[Thu May 24 16:51:26 2012] : (5734) DM Elton (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:26 2012] : (5736) Fox (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:26 2012] : (5689) Brohad (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:26 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:26 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:26 2012] : (5782) Myth (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:26 2012] : (5783) NapalmMoose (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:26 2012] : (5787) Felix (enter): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:28 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: 8 - now there are seven.

[Thu May 24 16:51:44 2012] : (5768) Bob the Rogue (exit): 16:51

[Thu May 24 16:51:49 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue: Stealth [1d20+3] => [2,3] = (5)

[Thu May 24 16:51:50 2012] : ** (5782) Myth calls upon the radiant light of pelor to lance the kobold. **Radiant lance** [1d20+6] => [5,6] = (11) for [1d8+4] => [4,4] = (8) radiant damage **

[Thu May 24 16:51:50 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue: Stealth [1d20+3] => [14,3] = (17)

[Thu May 24 16:52:31 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Myth, you skewered the kobold and made him scream like a stuck pig.

[Thu May 24 16:53:23 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue: (( 20 stealth ))

[Thu May 24 16:54:08 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: 6 kobolds, and they are making a tatical fallback.

[Thu May 24 16:54:12 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Do you chase them?

[Thu May 24 16:54:20 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: yep

[Thu May 24 16:54:25 2012] : ** (5761) Brawn Axecleaver runs after them **

[Thu May 24 16:54:26 2012] : (5787) Felix (exit): 16:54

[Thu May 24 16:54:41 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Okay, make a spot check for me please.

[Thu May 24 16:54:50 2012] : (5689) Brohad: "No it might be a trap!"

[Thu May 24 16:54:58 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (1d20+wis?)

[Thu May 24 16:55:30 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue: (( Yes. 1d20+WIS ))

[Thu May 24 16:55:33 2012] : (5689) Brohad: [1d20+3] => [16,3] = (19) wisdom check

[Thu May 24 16:55:48 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue: (( perception [1d20+3] => [1,3] = (4) ))

[Thu May 24 16:55:54 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: [1d20+2] => [13,2] = (15)

[Thu May 24 16:56:16 2012] : (5689) Brohad: "Let em run!"

[Thu May 24 16:56:22 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: You did notice a bunch of out of place grass on the ground and recognize it as some kind of trap. That's your action for this turn.

[Thu May 24 16:56:26 2012] : (5782) Myth: [1d20+4] => [12,4] = (16) perception

[Thu May 24 16:56:42 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: "I see a trap." he points

[Thu May 24 16:57:00 2012] : (5689) Brohad: "Aye and ye almost ran right inta it."

[Thu May 24 16:57:20 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Brohad, its your turn.

[Thu May 24 16:57:31 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: "Well we can' let those bloody kobolds get away."

[Thu May 24 16:57:34 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Okay, sorry. Brawn, roll to attack a kobold.

[Thu May 24 16:57:42 2012] : ** (5689) Brohad Dodging but otherwise just lettign them run. **

[Thu May 24 16:57:55 2012] : (5689) Brohad: "Yes...we can."

[Thu May 24 16:58:00 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue: (( Making a perception check is not an action... ))

[Thu May 24 16:58:09 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue: (( It's still Bawn's turn. ))

[Thu May 24 16:58:29 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: [1d20+6] => [4,6] = (10) [2d6+7] => [5,5,7] = (17) (3damage on miss)

[Thu May 24 16:58:41 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: You miss.

[Thu May 24 16:58:46 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: AC 14.

[Thu May 24 16:58:55 2012] : (5689) Brohad: "Just let em run for Moradin's sake..."

[Thu May 24 16:59:40 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Brohad, its your turn, since your turn in the Initiative order was ursurped.

[Thu May 24 16:59:51 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Tis fine)

[Thu May 24 17:00:14 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (i didn't take it on purpose)

[Thu May 24 17:00:14 2012] : (5689) Brohad: I use dodge then move to protect the catatonic wizard.

[Thu May 24 17:00:26 2012] : (5689) Brohad: Done.

[Thu May 24 17:00:57 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: The kobolds throw their spears. Alhough I'll roll once for one of them.

[Thu May 24 17:01:06 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (in an hour i have to hop off for that long. Just found out about it)

[Thu May 24 17:01:21 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Who are they attacking?)

[Thu May 24 17:01:27 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Kobold: [1d20+0] => [14,0] = (14) attacking Brawn Axecleaver.

[Thu May 24 17:01:28 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (you)

[Thu May 24 17:01:30 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue: (( Elton's gotta go atm, anyways. I just heard his family calling. ))

[Thu May 24 17:01:36 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue: (( >:D ))

[Thu May 24 17:01:39 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Nope looks like you)

[Thu May 24 17:01:54 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (wtf your on a call without me)

[Thu May 24 17:01:58 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Did he hit with his spear.

[Thu May 24 17:02:08 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: nope

[Thu May 24 17:02:19 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Whats your AC again?

[Thu May 24 17:02:23 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: 15

[Thu May 24 17:02:40 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Wizard is the only one with 11 ac. Others have 15)

[Thu May 24 17:02:43 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (I have 18)

[Thu May 24 17:07:28 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: So it narrowly misses.

[Thu May 24 17:07:37 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Welcome back)

[Thu May 24 17:07:48 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: bob, yor turn

[Thu May 24 17:08:30 2012] : ** (5790) Bob the Rogue launches another pebble at the kobolds. [2d20.takeHighest(1)+5] => [5,5] = (10) for [1d8+1d6+3] => [7,6,3] = (16) damage. **

[Thu May 24 17:09:46 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Use your lucky power)

[Thu May 24 17:10:23 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Fox!)

[Thu May 24 17:10:33 2012] : (5736) Fox: (Noosh.)

[Thu May 24 17:10:33 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue: [1d20+5] => [14,5] = (19)

[Thu May 24 17:10:41 2012] : ** (5689) Brohad currently standing over the catatonic wizard, deflecting javelins with his shield. **

[Thu May 24 17:11:51 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Fox, roll initiative quickly.

[Thu May 24 17:12:24 2012] : (5736) Fox: [1d20] => [20] = (20) plus whatever applies.

[Thu May 24 17:12:38 2012] : (5736) Fox: 1. 1 applies.

[Thu May 24 17:12:56 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (*tackles fox*)\

[Thu May 24 17:13:16 2012] : (5736) Fox: (Noticed: No field for HP, only Hit Dice.)

[Thu May 24 17:13:21 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Fox, it's your turn to hit the evil kobolds who think you are invading their land.

[Thu May 24 17:13:40 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (You have hps)

[Thu May 24 17:13:54 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (check top left)

[Thu May 24 17:14:33 2012] : (5736) Fox: With a few words, a beam of icy frost aims at a kobold to hold it in place. [1d20+6] => [16,6] = (22), hit = Speed 0 until my next turn

[Thu May 24 17:15:28 2012] : ** (5689) Brohad gives a approving grunt at his wizardess friend as she comes awake. **

[Thu May 24 17:15:28 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: The beam hits the kobold and it's frozen in place, except it makes a wonderful expression of anxiety.

[Thu May 24 17:15:50 2012] : (5736) Fox: The kobold is capable of acting, just mot moving around.

[Thu May 24 17:15:54 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Myth, it's tour turn.

[Thu May 24 17:16:15 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Yeah, it's capable of acting, just not moving around.

[Thu May 24 17:17:00 2012] : (5782) Myth: "Oh mighty Pelor, shine your radiance on these beings who dare to attack your servant.

[Thu May 24 17:17:09 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (shouldn't you let fox go twice?)

[Thu May 24 17:17:19 2012] : (5782) Myth: **radiant lance** [1d20+6] => [15,6] = (21), for [1d8+4] => [3,4] = (7) radiant damage

[Thu May 24 17:17:25 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue: (( Suddenly a lightning bolt strikes Myth down. Lulz ))

[Thu May 24 17:17:30 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: That's not according to the initiative ordr.

[Thu May 24 17:17:35 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Not if we don't want to rewind time)

[Thu May 24 17:18:12 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: A blast of sunlight hits another kobold as the kobold flashes you.

[Thu May 24 17:18:17 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Basicly she came out of her trance this round)

[Thu May 24 17:18:39 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Hes knocked out with his eyes rolling around. 4 kobold guards.

[Thu May 24 17:18:51 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Brohad, it's your turn.

[Thu May 24 17:19:39 2012] : ** (5689) Brohad dodges again and remains guarding the wizard. He lacks the ranged weaponry to make a different here and prefers to save his spells. **

[Thu May 24 17:19:44 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Done)

[Thu May 24 17:20:51 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Brawn.

[Thu May 24 17:21:49 2012] : ** (5761) Brawn Axecleaver attacks the frozen Kobold [1d20+6] => [15,6] = (21) [2d6+7] => [5,5,7] = (17) (3 damage on miss) **

[Thu May 24 17:22:26 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Apparently, you just made the kobold drop his cookies.

[Thu May 24 17:22:49 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (i would like to pick up the cookies)

[Thu May 24 17:23:27 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (NO COOKIE ACTION)

[Thu May 24 17:23:32 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Sure, if you like kobold blood and guts and intestines.

[Thu May 24 17:23:41 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (*Rages at the developers to make said action*)

[Thu May 24 17:24:03 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (you said they were cookies)

[Thu May 24 17:24:18 2012] : ** (5689) Brohad shakes his head at the odd Hill dwarf... **

[Thu May 24 17:24:35 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Okay, Kobolds.

[Thu May 24 17:24:50 2012] : ** (5761) Brawn Axecleaver apparently likes eating blood and guts. **

[Thu May 24 17:24:59 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: About five more guards come out of the cave mouth to protect their fellows.

[Thu May 24 17:25:33 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Two of them look like their armor was hastily donned, so you wonder what in the heck those two were doing.

[Thu May 24 17:25:58 2012] : (5736) Fox: (Hastily donning armor, evidently.)

[Thu May 24 17:26:02 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: A Kobold throws a spear at Fox!

[Thu May 24 17:26:08 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: [1d20+0] => [18,0] = (18)

[Thu May 24 17:26:47 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: [1d8-2] => [6,-2] = (4)

[Thu May 24 17:26:54 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Ewww Kobold sexxin.)

[Thu May 24 17:27:01 2012] : (5689) Brohad: Wait!

[Thu May 24 17:27:06 2012] : (5689) Brohad: I use reaction

[Thu May 24 17:27:11 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Fox, you take 4 damage, and the spear is lodged in your... what?

[Thu May 24 17:27:14 2012] : (5689) Brohad: Give him disadvantage

[Thu May 24 17:27:27 2012] : (5689) Brohad: Defender

[Thu May 24 17:27:32 2012] : (5689) Brohad: Guardian theme benefit

[Thu May 24 17:27:37 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Alright, he's at a disadvantage. [1d20] => [14] = (14)

[Thu May 24 17:27:54 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (If she is in 5 ft of me and attacked I can use reaction to use my shield to give attacker disadvantage)

[Thu May 24 17:27:58 2012] : (5689) Brohad: Ah well)

[Thu May 24 17:27:59 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: I got a fourteen. What's your AC, Brohad?

[Thu May 24 17:28:06 2012] : (5689) Brohad: My AC is 18

[Thu May 24 17:28:20 2012] : (5736) Fox: (His AC is irrelevant. My AC is still applied.)

[Thu May 24 17:28:30 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (What Fox said)

[Thu May 24 17:28:46 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: The spear hits and lodges itself in your robes, fox. One move and they come off.

[Thu May 24 17:28:47 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (I basicly just covered some of her with my shield making her harder to hit)

[Thu May 24 17:29:10 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (sweet)

[Thu May 24 17:29:35 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: (Fox usually plays nudists )

[Thu May 24 17:29:51 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (yea what is up with that)

[Thu May 24 17:30:00 2012] : ** (5790) Bob the Rogue launches yet another pebble at the kobold bastards. [2d20.takeHighest(1)+5] => [9,5] = (14) for [1d8+1d6+3] => [2,1,3] = (6) damage. **

[Thu May 24 17:30:02 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Shhh whos up?)

[Thu May 24 17:30:07 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Bob, its your turn.

[Thu May 24 17:30:39 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Bob takes down another guard!

[Thu May 24 17:31:05 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Knocking him out. Fox, it's your turn.

[Thu May 24 17:33:09 2012] : (5736) Fox: Another spell woven, this one more damaging to kobolds. Magic Missile for [1d4+1] => [1,1] = (2)

[Thu May 24 17:33:33 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: You knock a kobold off his feet.

[Thu May 24 17:33:55 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Myth!

[Thu May 24 17:34:05 2012] : (5782) Myth: "Let the light of Pelor end your attack." **radiant lance** [1d20+6] => [6,6] = (12), for [1d8+4] => [3,4] = (7) radiant damage at one of the kobolds

[Thu May 24 17:34:41 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Misss! The beam of light sizzles a tree. It looks like Pelor is fickle.

[Thu May 24 17:34:52 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (How many left now?)

[Thu May 24 17:34:58 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: 7.

[Thu May 24 17:35:06 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: no, 6.

[Thu May 24 17:35:14 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Brohad

[Thu May 24 17:35:50 2012] : ** (5689) Brohad dodges again and stays next to the wizard who seems to be drawing fire. **

[Thu May 24 17:35:58 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (done)

[Thu May 24 17:36:10 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Okay, Brawn!!

[Thu May 24 17:37:35 2012] : ** (5761) Brawn Axecleaver rages as he steps up to the next one [1d20+6] => [4,6] = (10) [2d6+7] => [5,2,7] = (14) (3damage on miss **

[Thu May 24 17:37:56 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Ouch.

[Thu May 24 17:38:00 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: You miss.

[Thu May 24 17:38:10 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: still did 3 damage

[Thu May 24 17:38:17 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: yep.

[Thu May 24 17:38:24 2012] : (5782) Myth: (a fighter with high enough str can kill a kobold even on a miss can't they?))

[Thu May 24 17:38:48 2012] : (5783) NapalmMoose: (9 yes they can))

[Thu May 24 17:38:53 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: I guess so.

[Thu May 24 17:39:09 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Kobolds spam at Brawn! Because they can.

[Thu May 24 17:39:18 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: [1d20] => [4] = (4) [1d20] => [8] = (8) [1d20] => [14] = (14)

[Thu May 24 17:39:25 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: any of those hit?

[Thu May 24 17:39:51 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (14 might if it had +1)

[Thu May 24 17:40:01 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Otherwise all miss ac 15)

[Thu May 24 17:40:03 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: CLANG!

[Thu May 24 17:40:20 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Bobby boy.

[Thu May 24 17:40:45 2012] : ** (5790) Bob the Rogue isn't really doing anything different... [2d20.takeHighest(1)+5] => [8,5] = (13) for [1d8+1d6+3] => [6,1,3] = (10) damage. **

[Thu May 24 17:41:08 2012] : (5790) Bob the Rogue: [1d20+5] => [16,5] = (21)

[Thu May 24 17:41:43 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Hit.

[Thu May 24 17:41:49 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: And you kill it.

[Thu May 24 17:41:53 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: Fox?

[Thu May 24 17:42:53 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Whatcha character name Fox?)

[Thu May 24 17:43:11 2012] : (5736) Fox: The wizard throws a spell of sleep at a group of kobolds in a 20-ft radius. They move at half speed until they take damage. Anything with less than 10 HP also makes a Wisdom save vs 13 or falls unconscious instead.

[Thu May 24 17:43:25 2012] : (5736) Fox: (Don't know. Not my character.)

[Thu May 24 17:43:25 2012] : (5761) Brawn Axecleaver: (I vote fox)

[Thu May 24 17:43:34 2012] : (5689) Brohad: (Make one)

[Thu May 24 17:43:57 2012] : (5734) DM Elton: [1d20] => [2] = (2) [1d20] => [10] = (10) [1d20] => [8] = (8) [1d20] => [11] = (11) [1d20] => [4] = (4)

[Thu May 24 17:43:58 2012] : (5783) NapalmMoose (exit): 17:43

[Thu May 24 17:44:08 2012] : (573
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1 year ago  ::  May 24, 2012 - 9:35PM #4
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I imagine alot of the basic attack boringness will be alleviated once the system is more developed. The direction they are going leads me to believe that additional options like trip, disarm, charge, aerial type attack options, etc are en route.
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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 4:34AM #5
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The advantage and disadvantage system can be used on the fly when someone wants a combat option.


A fighter flipping over a table in an enemies face need not be a specific mechanic manaeuver. The Dm can just say 'Advanatage and or Disadvantage' on the fly.


The tricky part is not allowing every possible action to qualify for adv/disadv.   
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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 5:08AM #6
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May 24, 2012 -- 6:56PM, Elton74 wrote:

One of the players stresses that you should have options for a spellpoint system as an optional rule in the main book rather than just spells per day (Vancian).  This way, it will make more logical sense to him and to  others.  Just as another aside. 






Might I suggest Runequest

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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 6:17AM #7
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May 24, 2012 -- 9:35PM, elibus wrote:

I imagine alot of the basic attack boringness will be alleviated once the system is more developed. The direction they are going leads me to believe that additional options like trip, disarm, charge, aerial type attack options, etc are en route.




Agree. It happens in every system: the basics is what you must try, and if it's solid, you can twist it at will!

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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 6:44AM #8
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Addendum:

One of my players who I thought was having fun does not enjoy playtesting.  But she does offer some interesting observations about the wizard.

Wizards, listen up.

I do offer the observation that of the five classes, the wizard seems to be the least effective at actually having an impact on combat, apart from the Sleep spell.  The healer-cleric has the ability to do 1d8+4 as a cantrip even. 


I'm observing that the healer gets this effect at range, while the wizard who has far less survivability would need to get into melee to perform the same level of effect, at-will. For 1st level spells...  I can't really compare 1st level spells because the wizard's 2d4+3 option has the AoE thing going where the cleric's massive 4d6+4 is single target.

The wizard just seems to be the least capable out of the characters presented in this playtest.

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She also said that the Skill System needs to be fleshed out and explained in the PHB.  So there you have it, the Wizard is now the weakest class in the game.  You guys have hollered and screamed for Wizard Fighter balancing, and now the Wizard is nerfed beyond usefulness in combat.  The Cleric of Pelor can call down a ray of sunlight and sizzle his foes at 1d8+4 damag, but the Wizard can dust off magic missile that is 1d4+1 in damage.

I suggest bringing the magic missile back up to it's 2nd Edition/1st Edition status as a 1d6+1 damage spell, so that the Wizard's one damage spell can do comparatively as much damage as the Cleric of Pelor's ray of sunlight.  At level 1.
 

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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 6:56AM #9
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May 25, 2012 -- 6:44AM, Elton74 wrote:

Addendum:

One of my players who I thought was having fun does not enjoy playtesting.  But she does offer some interesting observations about the wizard.

Wizards, listen up.

I do offer the observation that of the five classes, the wizard seems to be the least effective at actually having an impact on combat, apart from the Sleep spell.  The healer-cleric has the ability to do 1d8+4 as a cantrip even. 


I'm observing that the healer gets this effect at range, while the wizard who has far less survivability would need to get into melee to perform the same level of effect, at-will. For 1st level spells...  I can't really compare 1st level spells because the wizard's 2d4+3 option has the AoE thing going where the cleric's massive 4d6+4 is single target.

The wizard just seems to be the least capable out of the characters presented in this playtest.

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She also said that the Skill System needs to be fleshed out and explained in the PHB.  So there you have it, the Wizard is now the weakest class in the game.  You guys have hollered and screamed for Wizard Fighter balancing, and now the Wizard is nerfed beyond usefulness in combat.  The Cleric of Pelor can call down a ray of sunlight and sizzle his foes at 1d8+4 damag, but the Wizard can dust off magic missile that is 1d4+1 in damage.

I suggest bringing the magic missile back up to it's 2nd Edition/1st Edition status as a 1d6+1 damage spell, so that the Wizard's one damage spell can do comparatively as much damage as the Cleric of Pelor's ray of sunlight.  At level 1.
 





100% Speculation Here:

With the direction they seem tobe going design wise, I think it's safe to expect Wizards to be weaker at level 1 and amazing at higher levels, whereas fighters start out hot and gradually tamper off. (Linear Warriors, Quadratic Wizards) 

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1 year ago  ::  May 25, 2012 - 10:55AM #10
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May 25, 2012 -- 6:44AM, Elton74 wrote:

Addendum:


I suggest bringing the magic missile back up to it's 2nd Edition/1st Edition status as a 1d6+1 damage spell, so that the Wizard's one damage spell can do comparatively as much damage as the Cleric of Pelor's ray of sunlight.  At level 1.
 




Well I suggest something else: magic missile is an autohit, so it better be weak. However, putting up some other damage cantrip and regular damage spells is invaluable: since the wizard can't heal, can't do decently well at melee and is worse than the cleric at buffing, the wizard MUST do more damage then the cleric, or "blaster wizard" becomes a trap-option. No, oddball tricky spells like "grease" are not enough.

Also, I'm afraid 15-minute workdays are back, wich invariably brings caster-dominace back too.

My character is called Ryotto Tyrannicide, wich comes from "tyrannicidal riot".

He wields two magic swords: King Beheader (as in "Beheader of Kings", not "King the Beheader") and Chain Splitter. He's also a bit of a skirt-chaser.

So yeah, I REALLY hope you have some Lawful Evil bad guys prepared for me. Government/trade/church conspiracies are optional, but highly recommended.
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