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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 8:52AM
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I know there is people out there that because of practice, nostalgia, or simply taste, like vancian magic.
However, I still remember when WotC announced before unveiling 4e, that magic will no longer be vancian in the system... the room roared with applause, even the announcers said they were shocked at the positive response.
So that makes me wonder... why going back? Mechanically wise, it's pretty much agreed it's not a very good system... sure, this is early stages, but if they have incorporated it in the beta it has high chances of ending in the final product...
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 8:59AM
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Date Joined:
May 24, 2012
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It's more of a hybrid, Obsidian. There are at-will spells as well as the prepared ones.
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 9:06AM
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Jan 18, 2012
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It is not Vancian - it is 4e style magic with Dailies and At-Wills (no encounter powers so far) but reworded for the retro-feel.
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 9:07AM
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Date Joined:
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Vancian magic is in. Its been in for a while and its pretty well baked into being a core part of the system. Daily powers in general have supplanted encounter mechanics, even when taking stuff from 4E.
On the plus side Vancian casting is fairly well balanced this time. And I say that as someone who much preferes 4E style encounter and at will mechanics to daily mechanics.
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 9:21AM
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Date Joined:
May 23, 2012
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I know there is people out there that because of practice, nostalgia, or simply taste, like vancian magic.
However, I still remember when WotC announced before unveiling 4e, that magic will no longer be vancian in the system... the room roared with applause, even the announcers said they were shocked at the positive response.
So that makes me wonder... why going back? Mechanically wise, it's pretty much agreed it's not a very good system... sure, this is early stages, but if they have incorporated it in the beta it has high chances of ending in the final product...
The room may have applauded but most online polls i have seen suggest a strong preference for Vancian casting.
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 9:32AM
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Date Joined:
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I know there is people out there that because of practice, nostalgia, or simply taste, like vancian magic.
However, I still remember when WotC announced before unveiling 4e, that magic will no longer be vancian in the system... the room roared with applause, even the announcers said they were shocked at the positive response.
So that makes me wonder... why going back? Mechanically wise, it's pretty much agreed it's not a very good system... sure, this is early stages, but if they have incorporated it in the beta it has high chances of ending in the final product...
Yes, return, please return..I want it back..I'm bored to tear....of the way that everyone period worked in 4e. I'm bored to tears of not being able to take utility spells, I'm bored of the nicer fun spells not being useable more than once a day. I'm bored of being locked into other fun but not as powerful spells being locked to only a single use per encounter.
I will gladly give up all at-wills, I will gladly have my wizard, druid, cleric, whatever carry around a crossbow, or a spear...or whatever and attack with it. I can pretend that is a spell as needed if I feel like it.
But really I want back the utility and versatility of the vancian system. Give me that back. Instead of the stuck in stone, each spell is only useable once..period, system that 4e had.
People like powers? Fine...just don't give it to every single class period..some of us want a (balanced) vancian back.
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 9:36AM
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I know there is people out there that because of practice, nostalgia, or simply taste, like vancian magic.
However, I still remember when WotC announced before unveiling 4e, that magic will no longer be vancian in the system... the room roared with applause, even the announcers said they were shocked at the positive response.
So that makes me wonder... why going back? Mechanically wise, it's pretty much agreed it's not a very good system... sure, this is early stages, but if they have incorporated it in the beta it has high chances of ending in the final product...
Because many thinks that the adeu introduced into 4th edition is worse than vancian.
I personaly do not much like vancian, but 4th edition magic was terrible, in my opinion. Reasons for this you can find everywhere, just take a look at the hundreds of threads about spellcasters.
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 9:39AM
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I know there is people out there that because of practice, nostalgia, or simply taste, like vancian magic.
However, I still remember when WotC announced before unveiling 4e, that magic will no longer be vancian in the system... the room roared with applause, even the announcers said they were shocked at the positive response.
So that makes me wonder... why going back? Mechanically wise, it's pretty much agreed it's not a very good system... sure, this is early stages, but if they have incorporated it in the beta it has high chances of ending in the final product...
Because many thinks that the adeu introduced into 4th edition is worse than vancian.
I personaly do not much like vancian, but 4th edition magic was terrible, in my opinion. Reasons for this you can find everywhere, just take a look at the hundreds of threads about spellcasters.
I'm presently not planning to play next, and the biggest reason is Vancian magic. I played it years ago, and do not like the idea of stepping back into the stone ages.
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 9:43AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 18, 2007
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Just to throw my voice in behind the masses:
Vancian magic /is/ D&D. It may be clunky, and we may complain about it, but D&D wizards memorize their spells overnight and forget them once they're cast.
I've spent the last few weeks playing a sorcerer for the first time in a /Pathfinder/ game, and I think the class is a perfectly serviceable option for players interested in the on-demand approach to spellcasting. I hope something similar makes it into D&D5 as a wizard theme or optional rule.
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13 months ago ::
May 24, 2012 - 9:47AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 17, 2004
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Umm, old-school Vancian and 4e powers aren't the only two options.
Why not "spontaneous vancian", like the 3.5 Spirit Shaman had? You prepare a list of spells, and then you cast from that list of spells spontaneously. Is that so hard?
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