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1 year ago ::
May 16, 2012 - 4:51AM
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Do you think there will be a remake of 4e by a company like Paizo ? How do you think this will affect 5e? Would you skip out on the next edition for a better version of your current favorate game, my fellow 4e fans?
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Stuff I Heard Mike Say (subject to change): Multiclassing will be different than in 3.5! That's important.
There is no level cap; classes advance ala 3.5 epic levels after a set level.
Mundane (AKA fighter and co) encounter and daily powers will probably not be in the PHB (for the lack of space), but nor will they be in some obscure book released halfway through the edition. You can't please everyone, but you can please me. I DO NOT WANT A FREAKING 4E REPEAT. I DO NOT WANT A MODULE THAT MIMICS MY FAVORITE EDITION. I WANT MODULES THAT MIMIC A PLAYSTYLE AND CAN BE INTERCHANGED TO COMPLETELY CHANGE THE FEEL, BUT NOT THE THEME, OF D&D. A perfect example would be an espionage module, or desert survival. A BAD EXAMPLE IS HEALING SURGES. WE HAVE 4E FOR THOSE! A good example is a way to combine a mundane and self healing module, a high-survival-rate module, and a separate pool of healing resource module.
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1 year ago ::
May 16, 2012 - 5:01AM
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I think it's too early to definitively say if I would skip out of 5E all together, but a 4E clone would dramatically increase that chance.
After playing 5E at DDXP, my group started serious discussions about what we would play if 5E remained like what we saw there... honestly there weren't many good options--stick with an unsupported 4E, switch to Pathfinder (an odd thought given how little anyone cared for 3E), move to something else entirely. I would be pretty pleased to see a 4E style game, especially if it included a few revisions. I just don't know how lilely that is given the more restricitve GSL.
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1 year ago ::
May 16, 2012 - 5:16AM
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Actualy, by my understanding, the GSL only restrics what can be called 4e compatable. You can only copyright fluff, so if they wrote their own flavor text and renamed powers, no legal action could be taken.
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While one report may say that FLGS report a greater amount of book sales, one cannot forget the fact that the 71000 DDI subscribers paying 6-10 dollars a month don't count as "Book Sales." "see sig" redirects here
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Oblivious troll is Oblivious PbP supporter! General thoughts, feelings, and info on DDN!
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Stuff I Heard Mike Say (subject to change): Multiclassing will be different than in 3.5! That's important.
There is no level cap; classes advance ala 3.5 epic levels after a set level.
Mundane (AKA fighter and co) encounter and daily powers will probably not be in the PHB (for the lack of space), but nor will they be in some obscure book released halfway through the edition. You can't please everyone, but you can please me. I DO NOT WANT A FREAKING 4E REPEAT. I DO NOT WANT A MODULE THAT MIMICS MY FAVORITE EDITION. I WANT MODULES THAT MIMIC A PLAYSTYLE AND CAN BE INTERCHANGED TO COMPLETELY CHANGE THE FEEL, BUT NOT THE THEME, OF D&D. A perfect example would be an espionage module, or desert survival. A BAD EXAMPLE IS HEALING SURGES. WE HAVE 4E FOR THOSE! A good example is a way to combine a mundane and self healing module, a high-survival-rate module, and a separate pool of healing resource module.
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1 year ago ::
May 16, 2012 - 5:27AM
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I definitely would skip D&D Next altogether if a better version of 4E came out. Unless D&D Next was still better than the betterment of 4E. All in all, I'll play the best game I can find period.
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Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept.
Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new.
Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept.
Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept. Ideas for 5ESpoiler:
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1 year ago ::
May 16, 2012 - 6:04AM
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Do you think there will be a remake of 4e by a company like Paizo ? How do you think this will affect 5e? Would you skip out on the next edition for a better version of your current favorate game, my fellow 4e fans?
Doubtful, simply because it would be very hard to do without getting sued. It wouldn't really matter to Hasbro that the chance of winning the case would likely be small, just keeping their product off the shelves and locking the company up in court for a couple of years would be enough. The exact chances of winning would depend on just how closely the clone mimics 4e, but a smart company that produced a 4e style game with it's own classes, powers and campaign world would likely win in court if they could stick it out long enough.
A 4e clone probably wouldn't interest me much at all. There isn't much interest in 4e among the people I play with, there are still more 3e/Pathfinder games then 4e games. The 4e group I run will switch as soon as 5e comes out unless it is an obvious botch job.
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1 year ago ::
May 16, 2012 - 7:10AM
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I'm not a copyright lawyer, but it seems to me that it would be as easy to publish a 4E clone under the OGL as it was to produce a 1stAD&D or 2ndAD&D clone under the OGL . . . and both of those have been done.
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1 year ago ::
May 16, 2012 - 8:04AM
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Hell, they could do some good if they revised the system. Make inherent bonuses default. Remove the 1/2 level scaling treadmill from both players and monsters. Include expertise and improved defenses in the games base math. Etc.
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1 year ago ::
May 16, 2012 - 9:59AM
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The rules of a game cannot be protected under copyright law. If someone wanted to make a 4E clone, they most certainly could do so. www.copyright.gov/fls/fl108.html Copyright does not protect the idea for a game, its name or title, or the method or methods for playing it. Nor does copyright protect any idea, system, method, device, or trademark material involved in developing, merchandising, or playing a game. Once a game has been made public, nothing in the copyright law prevents others from developing another game based on similar principles. Copyright protects only the particular manner of an author’s expression in literary, artistic, or musical form.
Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept.
Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new.
Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept.
Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept.
Default module =/= Core mechanic.
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1 year ago ::
May 16, 2012 - 11:14AM
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I suppose it's possible. But what if D&Dext supports 4e style of play. Sort of if you add in all the options you get something very close to 4e? I kind of thought that was the idea od D&D Next to not leave anyone's preferred playstyle out. Having said that I know how you feel. I've played 4e, (and PF)but I'm more of a 1e player really, tho I alos like B/X too. It was hard not having my preferred editions supported for so long. All I wanted was to have WoTC reprint my old books so I could bring new plaeyrs to the game and play the way I liked. But that's also why I'm tryin to suppor tthe idea of D&DNext now. 'Cause they are trying to build a game that addes the best of every edition and allows all kinds of play to be supported. It may not be 1e or 4e exactly, but awfully close, depending on which rules we choose to use.
"The worthy GM never purposely kills players' PCs. He presents opportunities for the rash and unthinking players to do that all on their own." --Gary Gygax
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1 year ago ::
May 16, 2012 - 11:44AM
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Do you think there will be a remake of 4e by a company like Paizo ? How do you think this will affect 5e? Would you skip out on the next edition for a better version of your current favorate game, my fellow 4e fans?
A 4e clone probably wouldn't interest me much at all. There isn't much interest in 4e among the people I play with, there are still more 3e/Pathfinder games then 4e games. The 4e group I run will switch as soon as 5e comes out unless it is an obvious botch job.
I agree with this as there is no interest amongst my group or the other groups I know to play 4e as it is. And even though we were fans of 3.5 only two of the four other groups I know switched to Pathfinder. The rest of us finished our current campaigns and continued to run 3.5 or just switched to any of the dozens of other games we owned. All us however are interested in 5e, even the Pathfinder players.
I can imagine that it will be the same for fans of 4e who end up not liking 5e however I think that they'll just have to keep playing with the last printed books from WoTC since I doubt Paizo will ever drop Pathfinder or try to alter it and also because I can't think of any other company that would be able to one put out a 4e clone at the moment. For 3.5e there where many and with the 3.5 OGL it was easy for Paizo to provide something for the fan base after 3e was nixed. As it stands are there any 3rd party publishers of 4e material now?
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