I admit if I want play a female "monster" PC like dracoborn, shifter or half-orc...I don´t need the most beatiful faces, but I don´t want ugly ones (with stupy jaw of primate). I wish a female face of a girl who I could kiss. And my intention isn´t talking about comics or strip cartoons for adults of genre furry(=anthropomorphic animals).
You know, kissability really isn't high on my list of priorities for female character art.
Are you really suggesting that every female face depicted should be one you find kissable?
I want to see old women, plain women, fat women, bony women, and alien women. Because this is a fantasy setting, not Miss World.
If I create a female monster PC she can be a cat-girl, a head of chipmunk like the Chipettes (from movie "Alvin and the chipmunks"), a monkey like shao lin (from the cartoon show "captain simian and space monkeys) or like Ari (from Tim Burton´s "Planet of Apes), but I don´t want a too ugly heroine with a big primate jaw. For it I would rather a female minotaur.
I´m sorry but lots of fanboys would rather (when she isn´t a enemy) female monster humanoids like Neytiri, the na´vi princess of Cameron´s movie.
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Book 13 Anaclet 23
Confucius said: "The Superior Man is in harmony but does not follow the crowd. The inferior man follows the crowd, but is not in harmony"
If I create a female monster PC she can be a cat-girl, a head of chipmunk like the Chipettes (from movie "Alvin and the chipmunks"), a monkey like shao lin (from the cartoon show "captain simian and space monkeys) or like Ari (from Tim Burton´s "Planet of Apes), but I don´t want a too ugly heroine with a big primate jaw. For it I would rather a female minotaur.
I´m sorry but lots of fanboys would rather (when she isn´t a enemy) female monster humanoids like Neytiri, the na´vi princess of Cameron´s movie.
Not every race needs to be pretty by typical standards.Female orcs,trolls,goblins etc should not have their razer blade smiles,jutting jaws,tusks etc removed just because those aspects are deemed unattractrive by popular opinion of what beauty is.If you take away those features then you really start morphing orcs and the like into more of a halfbreed or even something no longer resembeling what the original race was supposed to be or look like.
Not every hero has to be attractive,hot or sexy.That way of thinking is a very hollywood standards of beauty way of thinking.Also usually thought of as being rather sexist in its own right.A chubby woman would kick way more ass in this type of world then any ultra skinny hollywood standards 90210 based physique.The previous mentioned female would actual be able to take some punishment in or out of armor and be able to wield the weapons.The later mentioned female would snap in half after one hit and not even be able to wield a good portion of the weapons within the game.
Now I know it is a fantasy world so that makes anything possible no I have no problem in that regard.Also it is your own world so if that is the way you want it to be then of course more power to you.There is no reason why you should not be able to play the way you want to.
I am a female player and GM and not to toot my own horn but I consider myself to be attractive at least by typical standards of society.I rarely play the pretty races in a game TTRPG or MMO etc.In DnD I usually play half orcs,Dwarves,the older version of gnomes and once I played a lizardman who was a male of the species.I do not like elves in the least so i never play those.I have played a few humans but my favorite character out of those was a 60 year old grandmother who lost her family and came out of retirement to start adventuring again and avenge her family.When I played WoW I was all about the horde but I played Trolls and Tauren.
I as well like seeing all forms of heroes and npcs in the games I play.The good the bad and the ugly and everything inbetween.
When a female (and male) character has to use armour, if the armour isn´t magic, it has to be realistic, like one what would be used in the real world. A armour like from manga/anime "Saint Seya" only would be used by gladiators where lack of protection is intentional. The no magic armours shouldn´t be so ..beatufil. They are created to suffer combats and hits (but the magic ones could repair itselfs).
No offense, but you say that like it's a fact when it's actually just your personal preference.
so why even play a fighter if you can play the paladin the exact same way behaviorally and get added power to boot. "Paladin" is about accepting better game-enhancing mechanics at the price of more rigid in game behavior.
Really? So it goes something like this?
Fighter: "I want to be a paladin." NPC: "Really?" Fighter: "Yes." NPC: "Very well." Starts reading from a holy book while still in-character "Do you accept having to choose and stick to the lawful good alignment, eventhough neither of us actually knows that it exists or what it is?" Fighter: "I do." NPC: "Do you reject good game balance because you accidentally rolled a high Charisma?" Fighter: "What?" NPC: "I don't know what it means either." Fighter: "Oh. Umm, ok I do." NPC: "In the name of all that is metagamey and broken, accept these better game enhancing mechanics." Fighter: "These what?" NPC: "Just get out there and try to fulfill a million different people's notion of good while not violating and part of any of them."
So the system is designed such that every single hit needs to be described to avoid confusion? Here's a scenario. The players are nudists, everybody in the world are nudists, it's not weird, it's totally normal in this land. They are naked and they fight drakes taking damage throughout, but healing up with surges. Later they meet the guy who raised the drakes.
Part 1: I didn't describe any of the hits. What does he see?
Part 2: Lets say I described the drakes as biting the players, yet they healed up. What does he see?
I am a female player and GM and not to toot my own horn but I consider myself to be attractive at least by typical standards of society.I rarely play the pretty races in a game TTRPG or MMO etc.In DnD I usually play half orcs,Dwarves,the older version of gnomes and once I played a lizardman who was a male of the species.I do not like elves in the least so i never play those.I have played a few humans but my favorite character out of those was a 60 year old grandmother who lost her family and came out of retirement to start adventuring again and avenge her family.When I played WoW I was all about the horde but I played Trolls and Tauren.
Interesting that you mention this. I've played with a few good looking girls by "typical standards of society" (even a Cheerleader (back in HS) who was a secret Nerd) and lucked out and married one of them. Much like you most of them gravitated towards the "non pretty" races when playing female characters when playing AD&D (more so in 3ed, thanks to Savage Species) and other systems. Conversely though, many of them, when playing male PCs (my wife included), usually went for hot Elf Boys.
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Generic people: I'd like to see the common woman (and man, for that matter. and nobles, for that matter) in roughly 'period' garb, assuming the setting has a historical counterpart. If the location is somewhere like Sigil, well... there's no "period" that fits. A general 'look and feel' should be created that's consistant across the genders
No Armor: Let's face it, there are some of our adventurers who just don't wear armor, on both genders. What do they wear then? Well, if you're in a dungeon or extreme environment, there are some basic precautions you want to take. Otherwise? I guess in a town setting the real limiter is that most real people do have something called shame. I'd like to see some reasonable, detailed costume designs dungeonwearShow
Note the practical boots (not high heels), leather gloves, and overall sturdy-looking clothes. She's ready for a little exploring, if not combat.
This is nice. I like this. You wouldn't go trapsing around the wilderness in slippers and a big-sleeved dress, but not every character is going to go trapsing around the wilderness every day, and you're not going to mistake this lady for a harlot based on her dress code.
Okay, this outfit is a TON less practical in... just about every way, but I actually have the provenance of it: It's Liliana Vess, as depicted by Steve Argyle (This is actually a more detailed version of the art that appears on Liliana of the Veil ). There are really two things that need to be noted about Vess. First, she's hugely vain and egocentric. This is a woman who basically sold her sould to demons for continued youth and beauty, which she woudl therefore have little intention of hiding. Second, she's hugely powerful. If the purplish fire and superior smirk didn't tip you off, the portal of skulls should. She may be making a fashion statment, but she's also making a character statment with it
Light armor: If you're deriving an AC bonus from it, it probably shouldn't have a midriff. You're going to need a pretty DARN good excuse to get away with dressing like Annah from Planescape: Torment (She has one, though it's rather hidden). Otherwise, you need to protect key areas: the Torso is the most vital, probably followed by the upper legs Light ArmorShow
A full cover getup that should protect her from the elements, while providing a small edge of resistance against orcish daggers and carrion crawler bites. It's not the most sturdy of garments (Admittedly, it could be presented in a similar light to the "plainclothes adventurer"), but then again it's supposed to be light armor here. You could also use a substantial chestpiece and a heavy skirt like those worn by soldiers in the greek and roman periods (or some other contrivance to protect your vulnerable femoral artery).
This piece (by Herman Lau) is from the recent D&D Art Test. I really think it does an excellent job of depicting a female soldier. I'd really like to see more of this in the future, and in at least this particular case, I might actually get my wish!
Heavy Armor: Heavy armor (Chain, scale, plate) is ARMOR first and foremost, not a fashion show. I will scoff loudly (LOUDLY) at Midriff Plate when I'll ignore it in a mage's getup. Furthermore, there's no real need for armor to be sculpted... okay, some women might need the extra allowance but for the most part the need is zero. There is one part where I'm willing to waver on sensible armor: Helmets. Nobody is ever shown wearing a helmet (Escept for characters who have their helmets glued to their heads, like Fire Emblem's Nephenee), because frankly we want to see someone's face to relate to them. Helmets, especially ones fitting for use with heavy armor, would cover the face and reduce the figure, regardless of gender, to the category of "mook". So I'm not going to bat an eye at anyone missing their helmet. Plate!Show
This has the "Sculpted Armor" problem, but other than that is a wonderful piece. I'm not sure how strictly practical this armor design is (though it does show off a version of going with a skirt as leg guards), but it's at least a believable medium weight/chain design at first glance. Not bad.
General comments: > Not everyone needs to be pretty. Though, of course, most depictions of folks in art will tend to be either on the very good looking or very bad looking ends of the scale. There ought to be some room for the occassional Mother of Runes > A little more diversity would be nice. I haven't shown much off in this post... because frankly this post has things from my hard drive, which are the results of casual posts in threads like this one, not exhaustive searches for a good cross section of fantasy humanity.
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I am a female player and GM and not to toot my own horn but I consider myself to be attractive at least by typical standards of society.I rarely play the pretty races in a game TTRPG or MMO etc.In DnD I usually play half orcs,Dwarves,the older version of gnomes and once I played a lizardman who was a male of the species.I do not like elves in the least so i never play those.I have played a few humans but my favorite character out of those was a 60 year old grandmother who lost her family and came out of retirement to start adventuring again and avenge her family.When I played WoW I was all about the horde but I played Trolls and Tauren.
Interesting that you mention this. I've played with a few good looking girls by "typical standards of society" (even a Cheerleader (back in HS) who was a secret Nerd) and lucked out and married one of them. Much like you most of them gravitated towards the "non pretty" races when playing female characters when playing AD&D (more so in 3ed, thanks to Savage Species) and other systems. Conversely though, many of them, when playing male PCs (my wife included), usually went for hot Elf Boys.
Many of the women I have played games with tend to play the less attractive races as well.Most do not gender been though but the few that have played it all over the place.LOL hot elf boys,that just reminds me of the Sunday afternoon games at the game shop I work at.There is one game of 8 people and every character is a elven male (3 female 5 male players).
Generic people: I'd like to see the common woman (and man, for that matter. and nobles, for that matter) in roughly 'period' garb, assuming the setting has a historical counterpart. If the location is somewhere like Sigil, well... there's no "period" that fits. A general 'look and feel' should be created that's consistant across the genders
No Armor: Let's face it, there are some of our adventurers who just don't wear armor, on both genders. What do they wear then? Well, if you're in a dungeon or extreme environment, there are some basic precautions you want to take. Otherwise? I guess in a town setting the real limiter is that most real people do have something called shame. I'd like to see some reasonable, detailed costume designs dungeonwearShow
Note the practical boots (not high heels), leather gloves, and overall sturdy-looking clothes. She's ready for a little exploring, if not combat.
This is nice. I like this. You wouldn't go trapsing around the wilderness in slippers and a big-sleeved dress, but not every character is going to go trapsing around the wilderness every day, and you're not going to mistake this lady for a harlot based on her dress code.
Okay, this outfit is a TON less practical in... just about every way, but I actually have the provenance of it: It's Liliana Vess, as depicted by Steve Argyle (This is actually a more detailed version of the art that appears on Liliana of the Veil ). There are really two things that need to be noted about Vess. First, she's hugely vain and egocentric. This is a woman who basically sold her sould to demons for continued youth and beauty, which she woudl therefore have little intention of hiding. Second, she's hugely powerful. If the purplish fire and superior smirk didn't tip you off, the portal of skulls should. She may be making a fashion statment, but she's also making a character statment with it
Light armor: If you're deriving an AC bonus from it, it probably shouldn't have a midriff. You're going to need a pretty DARN good excuse to get away with dressing like Annah from Planescape: Torment (She has one, though it's rather hidden). Otherwise, you need to protect key areas: the Torso is the most vital, probably followed by the upper legs Light ArmorShow
A full cover getup that should protect her from the elements, while providing a small edge of resistance against orcish daggers and carrion crawler bites. It's not the most sturdy of garments (Admittedly, it could be presented in a similar light to the "plainclothes adventurer"), but then again it's supposed to be light armor here. You could also use a substantial chestpiece and a heavy skirt like those worn by soldiers in the greek and roman periods (or some other contrivance to protect your vulnerable femoral artery).
This piece (by Herman Lau) is from the recent D&D Art Test. I really think it does an excellent job of depicting a female soldier. I'd really like to see more of this in the future, and in at least this particular case, I might actually get my wish!
Heavy Armor: Heavy armor (Chain, scale, plate) is ARMOR first and foremost, not a fashion show. I will scoff loudly (LOUDLY) at Midriff Plate when I'll ignore it in a mage's getup. Furthermore, there's no real need for armor to be sculpted... okay, some women might need the extra allowance but for the most part the need is zero. There is one part where I'm willing to waver on sensible armor: Helmets. Nobody is ever shown wearing a helmet (Escept for characters who have their helmets glued to their heads, like Fire Emblem's Nephenee), because frankly we want to see someone's face to relate to them. Helmets, especially ones fitting for use with heavy armor, would cover the face and reduce the figure, regardless of gender, to the category of "mook". So I'm not going to bat an eye at anyone missing their helmet. Plate!Show
This has the "Sculpted Armor" problem, but other than that is a wonderful piece.
I'm not sure how strictly practical this armor design is (though it does show off a version of going with a skirt as leg guards), but it's at least a believable medium weight/chain design at first glance. Not bad.
General comments: > Not everyone needs to be pretty. Though, of course, most depictions of folks in art will tend to be either on the very good looking or very bad looking ends of the scale. There ought to be some room for the occassional Mother of Runes > A little more diversity would be nice. I haven't shown much off in this post... because frankly this post has things from my hard drive, which are the results of casual posts in threads like this one, not exhaustive searches for a good cross section of fantasy humanity.
See the one picture you show there for dungeonwear I could see that being a good example for spellcasters.Well spell casters that do not use heavier armors.That could be considered leather or just durable clothing.Party mages have to walk into the same places as everyone else in the party.So a good pair of boots,fully covered legs and some kneepads would make sense for climbing,falling etc.You see alot of spellcasters in wispy revealing robes that seem more apropriate for holding court then adventuring.
Sometimes playing a no-pretty like "ugly Betty" or Fionna (Shrek´s wife) is fun, but usually players don´t like too ugly female PCs.
I don´t ask a female elve PC with face of Elisha Cuthbert. Somebody like Amy Farrah Fowler (the character of Big Bang Theory played by Mayim Bialik) is enough. But a lot of people if they play a female monster PC like half-orc or half-ogre they don´t want a face with a long primate jaw. It´s too unsighly. (It´s better a female rakshaha with feline head or a werefox with head of Renamon) A changeling from Eberron almost hasn´t got nose, but it doesn´t make her ugly.
The githyankis and githzerais (art from last editions), or the female yuan-ti from Monster Manual 3rd Ed (painted by Loockwood) are good examples of kind of face it isn´t ugly nor too pretty.
"Say me what you're showing off for, and I'll say you what you lack!" (Spanish saying)
Book 13 Anaclet 23
Confucius said: "The Superior Man is in harmony but does not follow the crowd. The inferior man follows the crowd, but is not in harmony"
