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May 2, 2012 -- 8:42AM, TamRad wrote:

May 1, 2012 -- 7:39PM, bone_naga wrote:

May 1, 2012 -- 3:38AM, TamRad wrote:

I like E Toys as much as the next person but throwing all the crap into the game you suggested would only make things worse.That might make for a decent prop activity for a sci-fi type game.This kind of aproach would suck the soul right out of the game and a true table top atmosphere.Much like how 4th did to the previous versions. 

Funny, some of us heathens actually enjoy 4e and don't feel like it's missing some undefinable "soul" of D&D.

May 1, 2012 -- 3:38AM, TamRad wrote:

I am not that old and I am not that old fashioned like many D and D vets may be.Still a laptop rotating around the table and mobile devices all over the place rolling the dice etc just sounds like a very sterile playing environment.TTRPG should always be about a actual hands on aproach.Roll actual dice with your hands.Roleplay face to face with Gm or other players sitting with you at the table.Moving the minis around on a battle mat or tiles etc,if those are even used at all. 

That sounds great in theory, but reality says otherwise. I move a lot and my players live in different states than I do. Since leaving home I haven't managed to hit 3 years in any one location. So face to face gaming isn't much of an option. Neither is lugging a shelf full of books whenever I travel. I need digital options or I don't get to play.

My apologies for ignoring situations such as this.I just meant given the choice in the matter hands on face to face would always be my choice.In light of the circumstances you describe I agree entirely.

Yeah, but even face to face using real dice and a map with minis, I'm sure you'd love to use an app that gives you great control and readability of your character sheet. With features like clickable links to the long description of powers, skills, and feats. Auto bonus calculations and maybe even a calculator. With the newest technology you can even roll real dice and read their results into the app with a camera for instant calculations. Really there is no reason not to do this and make bank on it...

May 2, 2012 -- 12:43PM, TamRad wrote:

Oh I agree they could make money with it.I also can see certain people enjoying such things.I like to figure out things myself.Do the math in my head etc.I try not to rely too much on gadgets in my life.Some quick nots on a standard character sheet with a note of a page number for a feat etc is all I need.This style does just fine for my personal tastes.I see nothing wrong with doing it they way you describe,I just roll a different way.

I guess I may be one of the exceptions in regards to this.I have a basic phone,fairly basic computer etc.  

Well that's what I'm saying they should do it both ways and rake in the money from both crowds. Eventually I see most everyone using technology like this for the simple fact that it is so prevalent and people will be taught to use it as children...

May 2, 2012 -- 4:32PM, Webster wrote:

Amazing. Were I to go back in time to when we D&D players were drooling over the thought of a D&D computer game, describe MMOs and the apparant hate for them, they'd think I'm nuts.

I have to agree with that.  My first experience with a D&D-like computer game was the game "Wizardry."  That game even used the D&D armor class; the instruction book had a scale showing AC from 10 to -10 (at the 10 end there was a guy in a diaper, at the -10 end there was a tank).  That game was like all the early party-based rpgs in that 1) one player played the whole game and designed the whole party, and 2) the only visual was a small square of black background with dungeon walls delineated by white lines (which was replaced by a mostly static monster image during encounters).  To go from that to the modern MMO would have astounded most people, and it would have actually created an atmosphere closer to a TTRPG than a computer game (because of real-time interaction with party-mates).

May 3, 2012 -- 1:56AM, Kaldric wrote:

I remember when Everquest came out and became a big thing. I played it for a bit, and got bored with it. Same with WoW, though at that point I knew I'd get bored with it after awhile. 

They're not the same experiences as RPGs. Until computer games can account for and appropriately respond to every possible human response to the scenarios they present, they'll never provide the experience of an RPG played with a human GM who CAN appropriately respond.

You haven't seen some of the more complex physics engines yet have you? Now all they have to do is come up with magic engines (to simulate realistic magic) and you can have that experience...

May 3, 2012 -- 3:35AM, lokiare wrote:

May 3, 2012 -- 1:56AM, Kaldric wrote:

I remember when Everquest came out and became a big thing. I played it for a bit, and got bored with it. Same with WoW, though at that point I knew I'd get bored with it after awhile. 

They're not the same experiences as RPGs. Until computer games can account for and appropriately respond to every possible human response to the scenarios they present, they'll never provide the experience of an RPG played with a human GM who CAN appropriately respond.

You haven't seen some of the more complex physics engines yet have you? Now all they have to do is come up with magic engines (to simulate realistic magic) and you can have that experience...

You still won't have that experience.

The technology is not available to support a true ROLE PLAYING experience.  Until every NPC can handle every potential question and action posed by a PC, you won't have that experience.  Beyond NPCs, A computer still cannot react the way a GM can.  A GM can handle infinite input and can export infinite possibilities.  A computer can only handle the input and export that it was programmed to handle.

Once true artificial intelligence is achieved, then you can have a true role playing experience.