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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 9:20PM #1
trebor_rjf
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Rule-of-Three (2012 April 17th)
by Rodney Thompson

You've got questions—we've got answers! Here's how it works—each week, our Community Manager will be scouring all available sources to find whatever questions you're asking. We'll pick three of them for R&D to answer.

Talk about this news here.

 
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 9:26PM #2
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"We're still in early alpha, people!  PLEASE stop asking things like this"
: Ok.

"Weapons are basically as you expect.  We're trying to make the choice basically cosmetic, though there will probably be different damage types."
: Yes, this is totally new and unexpected information.

"There's going to be a floor on how useless a character can be in any of the three pillars.  Other than that, go wild."
: Cool!
"Enjoy your screams, Sarpadia - they will soon be muffled beneath snow and ice."
THE COALITION WAR GAME
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Round 1: (4-1-2, 1 kill)
Round 2: (16-8-2, 4 kills)
Round 3: (18-9-2, 1 kill)
Round 4: (22-10-0, 2 kills)
Round 5: (56-16-3, 9 kills)
Round 6: (8-7-1) [current round]

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 10:01PM #3
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These seem like pretty disappointing questions to have picked to answer. Nothing's really very meaty, and a lot of it we already knew. The part that I hate worst is the answer to the first one. It's like cheating us an answer because we didn't know the right thing to ask.

Why, yes, as a matter of fact I am the Unfailing Arbiter of All That Is Good Design (Even More So Than The Actual Developers) TM

Speaking of things that were badly designed, please check out this thread for my Minotaur fix. What have the critics said, you ask?
"If any of my players ask to play a Minotaur, I'm definitely offering this as an alternative to the official version." - EmpactWB
"If I ever feel like playing a Minotaur I'll know where to look!" - Undrave
"WoTC if you are reading this - please take this guy's advice." - Ferol_Debtor_of_Torm
"Really full of win. A minotaur that is actually attractive for more than just melee classes." - Cpt_Micha

Also, check out my recent GENASI variant! If you've ever wished that your Fire Genasi could actually set stuff on fire, your Water Genasi could actually swim, or your Wind Genasi could at least glide, then look no further.

Finally, check out my OPTIONS FOR EVERYONE article, an effort to give unique support to the races that WotC keeps forgetting about. Includes new racial feature options for the Changeling, Deva, Githzerai, Gnoll, Gnome, Goliath, Half-Orc, Kalashtar, Minotaur, Shadar-Kai, Thri-Kreen, Warforged and more!
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 10:04PM #4
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 10:01PM, Crimson_Concerto wrote:

These seem like pretty disappointing questions to have picked to answer. Nothing's really very meaty, and a lot of it we already knew. The part that I hate worst is the answer to the first one. It's like cheating us an answer because we didn't know the right thing to ask.




If it gets people to stop asking, I think it's a question well spent.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 10:16PM #5
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 10:04PM, ankiyavon wrote:

If it gets people to stop asking, I think it's a question well spent.


If it doesn't get us an answer, then it's a wasted question. If they wanted to say "Stop asking about stuff like X, Y, and Z", then they could and probably should have done so separately. Ro3 is valuable to us because it's one of the few things that's supposed to give us insight into what exactly it is that they're doing, so selecting a question and giving an answer to that question that really amount to no answer at all and on top of that tell us to stop asking those questions... well, that makes me feel cheated one question.

Why, yes, as a matter of fact I am the Unfailing Arbiter of All That Is Good Design (Even More So Than The Actual Developers) TM

Speaking of things that were badly designed, please check out this thread for my Minotaur fix. What have the critics said, you ask?
"If any of my players ask to play a Minotaur, I'm definitely offering this as an alternative to the official version." - EmpactWB
"If I ever feel like playing a Minotaur I'll know where to look!" - Undrave
"WoTC if you are reading this - please take this guy's advice." - Ferol_Debtor_of_Torm
"Really full of win. A minotaur that is actually attractive for more than just melee classes." - Cpt_Micha

Also, check out my recent GENASI variant! If you've ever wished that your Fire Genasi could actually set stuff on fire, your Water Genasi could actually swim, or your Wind Genasi could at least glide, then look no further.

Finally, check out my OPTIONS FOR EVERYONE article, an effort to give unique support to the races that WotC keeps forgetting about. Includes new racial feature options for the Changeling, Deva, Githzerai, Gnoll, Gnome, Goliath, Half-Orc, Kalashtar, Minotaur, Shadar-Kai, Thri-Kreen, Warforged and more!
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 10:34PM #6
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 9:20PM, trebor_rjf wrote:

So, when it comes to customization points, we want to let people choose what they want to focus on (be that combat, diplomacy, being the best liar ever, being a super stealthy thief, or whatever) and trust the baseline competence we've built into all characters to make sure everyone feels like they can participate.


That's not allowing customization, it's rewarding system mastery, pushing the meta-game at the expense of the actual game.  Customization would be allowing meaningful choices among balanced options /within/ each pillar.   

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 11:00PM #7
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 10:04PM, ankiyavon wrote:


If it gets people to stop asking, I think it's a question well spent.



I have every faith in the comminuty that it won't even put a decent dent in people asking.


- No new information here.

- Who was asking this?  This is such a mundane, pointless question to have answered.  And we gave them  whole thread full of pointed, meaningful questions and everything.

- They're going to go right on trucking mixing up their combat and non-combat resources.  Oh, but we can't trade all of them.  You never could, though.  

Very disappointing week.  Two evasions and one disappointing answer.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 11:37PM #8
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I love customization. Like casting more Time Stop instead of Meteor Swarm. Oh, the sacrifices I make to stay in character. 
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 11:52PM #9
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Apr 16, 2012 -- 11:00PM, Pashalik_Mons wrote:

Apr 16, 2012 -- 10:04PM, ankiyavon wrote:


If it gets people to stop asking, I think it's a question well spent.



I have every faith in the comminuty that it won't even put a decent dent in people asking.


- No new information here.

- Who was asking this?  This is such a mundane, pointless question to have answered.  And we gave them  whole thread full of pointed, meaningful questions and everything.

- They're going to go right on trucking mixing up their combat and non-combat resources.  Oh, but we can't trade all of them.  You never could, though.  

Very disappointing week.  Two evasions and one disappointing answer.




+1 to this. The third answer is VERY disappointing. It was one of the things I was looking forward to D&D Next for. That, and an even better encounter creation paradigm (daily based experience point total sounds nice if it works). If D&D Next can't give me those, I don't know why should I bother, really. To get "traditional" stuff back? Hell no. To get Vancian casting back? I'll be damned before I accept it in my game again. To see how fighters are balanced towards crazy powerful wizards? Wait, I already have that.

Seriously, the only things I dislike about 4E right now are out-of-combat parity and the fact that having one encounter per day at higher levels is virtually impossible (if you wish to challenge the players without having TPK risks). Oh, and the fact that combat could be a bit faster too.

One of those is being confirmed as "no way we're going to do that". Some other things I like in 4E are being kicked out (cool casters, for one thing; a focus on balance, for another). Now I'll just wait for them to say that they'll screw up encounter balance some way or another and I'm done.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 11:57PM #10
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The third answer seemed both a cop out and evasive to me. The question was about wether or not combat and non combat would be sharing the same resource pool or not, it had nothing to do with base character ability levels. From the sound of it they wanted to avoid the backlash of their choice. If you make a choice and man up! Answering questions like this will only lead to accusations of mistruth and misinformation.

I get the feeling that the true answer is that they will share the same pool so people will have to choose one of the pillars to play with. Of course they dont want people to think this as they have stated previously that they want people involved in all 3 aspects.
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