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Apr 08, 2012 - 10:19AM
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I would like to point out that Wizards already said all classes that were ever in a PHB1, for all the editions of the game, will be in 5e at release. Of course, now that I said that, I can't find the article in question where they announced that. So don't quote me on this.
You are right, they (Monte?) said this a DDX. You could probably find the transcript at EnWorld.
But the thing is, there is a diffference between a wish and the final product. In one of the L&L (or maybe Ro3) it was said that right now they are focusing on the 4 basic classes. So it remains to be seen what will be in the PHB1 of 5e.
Plus we need to take into consideration WotC's track record of promises and deliveries...
Yeah, remember that character visualizer they promised us during the run up to 4e? Or how about the Virtual Tabletop. Well, we did kind of get that last one. But no where near what was promised.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 08, 2012 - 10:22AM
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And we also have to take into consideration people confusing plans with promises.
The company they had building their virtual tools for 4e launch went out of business. Plans change when those sort of things happen. Reasonable consumers recognize that, accept the disappointment, and move on. Those who think that everything stated is a guaranteed, bonafide pony delivered to your doorstep, on the other hand?
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1 year ago ::
Apr 08, 2012 - 10:25AM
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Ah, I hadn't heard that. That would explain things. I am still sad that didn't happen. The Virtual Tabletop I could have done without, but the visualizer would have been awesome. Still, there's no way they can get enough in there to create everything your imagination comes up with. I guess the best way to show what your character looks like is still to draw it. Or get someone else to.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 08, 2012 - 10:27AM
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And we also have to take into consideration people confusing plans with promises.
The company they had building their virtual tools for 4e launch went out of business. Plans change when those sort of things happen. Reasonable consumers recognize that, accept the disappointment, and move on. Those who think that everything stated is a guaranteed, bonafide pony delivered to your doorstep, on the other hand?
Exactly.
But beyond that, when I hear of people talking about how Wizards' has promised to provide all classes from all PHBs in the core release of 5E, I can't help but think that if they don't get exactly that, they are going to be storming the castle with pitchforks and torches. Where, instead, that discussion that they shared were merely their plans, hopes, intentions and not at all a promise.
Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept.
Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new.
Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept.
Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept.
Default module =/= Core mechanic.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 08, 2012 - 10:44AM
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I would like to point out that Wizards already said all classes that were ever in a PHB1, for all the editions of the game, will be in 5e at release. Of course, now that I said that, I can't find the article in question where they announced that. So don't quote me on this.
From www.enworld.org/forum/news/317373-semina...
Greg: Where do you start with your design when approaching the next edition. Are you looking at all of the classes, or a specific edition version?
Monte: To start with we kind of shot at the moon, and said everything that's been in a Player's Handbook 1, we want to potentially have in our new player's book. That includes things like the warlock and the warlord from 4th edition, but also includes the classes from other editions like the ranger, the wizard, the cleric. Going along those lines we separated things along the lines of what's common or uncommon. So for example fighters, clerics, wizards and clerics might be commmon while warlocks, bards, and paladins fall into uncommon and something like the assassin might be rare. This helps DMs determine what options they want to run in their games as well.
So, it comes down to what 'we want to potentially have' means, assuming the transcript is accurate. I didn't read that as a promise, and I don't have any solid expectations of what we're going to see or not see based on that, and that's fine. I'd rather they put well-thought-out classes into the first release rather than run through a much larger list in checkbox-fashion, but equally I can imagine the frustration of being stuck unable to play 5e with your favourite characters on launch day.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 08, 2012 - 8:16PM
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True. I seriously don't get why people who stuck with 3rd edition despite being given an awesome alternative would want to switch system.  Apart from the people who weren't given a better alternative (those who dislike all editions of D&D so far).
Are there people who were disatisfied with every iteration of DnD and still hope for it to satisfy them? I would think such persons would have moved on.
And we haven't talked of 4e fans. Will they switch or will they be orphans after 5e comes out? If 3.x fans have no reason to jump ship and 4e fans' expectations aren't met, what will happen to 5e?
4E fans? Same thing. If D&D Next sucks, then we'll have no reason to move and we'll be stuck with our beloved and abandoned edition. And D&D Next will fail with half (40%?) of its customer base dissatisfied.
By the way, I'm slightly sarcastic in the above quote. I fully understand the reasons D&D Next could be sold: mainly being a better product than previous editions. However, I think there's a big risk of people sticking with Pathfinder and / or 4th Edition anyway.
Not only that, but with the internet, it would be way easy for the community that prefers sticking with 4th edition material to create good, balanced "homebrewed" content that need not rely on the 4th edition license to be generally accepted. I can see this happening if 5th edition does not largely embrace the 4th ed crowd.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 08, 2012 - 9:30PM
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I would like to point out that Wizards already said all classes that were ever in a PHB1, for all the editions of the game, will be in 5e at release. Of course, now that I said that, I can't find the article in question where they announced that. So don't quote me on this.
You are right, they (Monte?) said this a DDX. You could probably find the transcript at EnWorld.
But the thing is, there is a diffference between a wish and the final product. In one of the L&L (or maybe Ro3) it was said that right now they are focusing on the 4 basic classes. So it remains to be seen what will be in the PHB1 of 5e.
Plus we need to take into consideration WotC's track record of promises and deliveries...
And we also have to take into consideration people confusing plans with promises.
You mean like the implied promise in the contract you sign with WotC when you agree to pay for DDI every month means that it will produce lots of worthy Dragon and Dungeon content and up date the CB every month like they said they would or is that just being too harsh to expect from a compagny I give my hard earn money too?
Keep in mind I am not a fanboy and remain more objective than a few people.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 08, 2012 - 10:20PM
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I would like to point out that Wizards already said all classes that were ever in a PHB1, for all the editions of the game, will be in 5e at release. Of course, now that I said that, I can't find the article in question where they announced that. So don't quote me on this.
You are right, they (Monte?) said this a DDX. You could probably find the transcript at EnWorld.
But the thing is, there is a diffference between a wish and the final product. In one of the L&L (or maybe Ro3) it was said that right now they are focusing on the 4 basic classes. So it remains to be seen what will be in the PHB1 of 5e.
Plus we need to take into consideration WotC's track record of promises and deliveries...
And we also have to take into consideration people confusing plans with promises.
You mean like the implied promise in the contract you sign with WotC when you agree to pay for DDI every month means that it will produce lots of worthy Dragon and Dungeon content and up date the CB every month like they said they would or is that just being too harsh to expect from a compagny I give my hard earn money too?
Keep in mind I am not a fanboy and remain more objective than a few people.
No, I mean that when people confuse plans, hopes, and intentions with promises. Just like I typed in plain, easy to read English. Please try to keep up and quit with the straw man. I wasn't even disagreeing with your statement, merely appending to it. See how I said, "And...?" That means "in addition to..."
That's twice in a row where you are making up attacks and disagreements where there were none.
Reflavoring: the change of flavor without changing any mechanical part of the game, no matter how small, in order to fit the mechanics to an otherwise unsupported concept.
Retexturing: the change of flavor (with at most minor mechanical adaptations) in order to effortlessly create support for a concept without inventing anything new.
Houseruling: the change, either minor or major, of the mechanics in order to better reflect a certain aspect of the game, including adapting the rules to fit an otherwise unsupported concept.
Homebrewing: the complete invention of something new that fits within the system in order to reflect an unsupported concept.
Default module =/= Core mechanic.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 09, 2012 - 1:10AM
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Here is what I do not want to happen again. I do not want to not be able to create a character meeting a concept I have for a character easily done in a previous edition.
For example, if I want an elevn monk, or a drow bard, I want to be able to make it on day on of the next edition. I don't want to have to wait two of three years again to be able to do this.
Don't let the perfect get in the way of the good. You may not get the very best the first year or two, but you will be getting some very good stuff. Much better to be satisfied with it rather than hold out for the very best, which is not going to happen soon, and may well not happen at all.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 09, 2012 - 1:47AM
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I've removed content from this thread because baiting/trolling is a violation of the Code of Conduct. You can review the Code of Conduct here www.wizards.com/Company/About.aspx?x=wz_...Please keep your posts polite, respectful, and on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks.
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